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It simple isn’t a V4V model if you are referring to people contributing as “users”. This implies a one-sided relationship where individuals are merely passive consumers of a product or service. In the context of a V4V model, the dynamic is more nuanced and collaborative, and it's important to use language that accurately reflects this relationship, if what you are trying to build is a V4V model.

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As I guess you know, my journey in nostr was not at all a bed of roses, especially at the beginning. I had to make my way through a lot of criticisms of all kinds for offering a free product while other providers charge (in my opinion) an exaggeratedly high cost for the same service.

As I have been reading your article, I have been modulating my opinion regarding your words. First I have taken it as the umpteenth attack to my approach with nostrcheck and its free service (not personal attack obviously 💜, but general to services like mine), but then I have been seeing how you focus it in the general concept of value for value. Here if we have points in common, I argue with my own experience.

99.99% of users in my service pay absolutely nothing at all. A small percentage pays me a few sats every time I release a new or improved product, another small percentage pays a few sats to register, we are talking about 10 people in total since I have nostrcheck 😅 (February 2023).

In my opinion value for value serves only in two situations.

1- You are famous, or your status in your community is high, in this case anything you do will have an intrinsic value for your audience, upload a picture of your ass and it will rain sats. Nothing to do or say here, this is not the debate.

2- Your users are people who understand the value of what you do, in my experience I have been paid only by "veteran" users in nostr who use my services, either in the form of donation or by zaps to a new release note of mine.

As you say, people do not know the value of things, so if you want to get a benefit from your work put a price, and yes, it is true, the higher the better, human beings do not stop being apes come to more, it's crappy but real as garlic 😂.

In short, I think it is a strictly cultural issue, society in general is not yet ready for it. Anyway I keep hope for it, society has advanced at a very fast pace in the last 50 years (in all senses), maybe in a few years we will all be a little more, as I would define it, adults.

What a pleasure it is to read well-structured things like this.

if you have “users” you haven’t build a v4v model.

you could add and a free to do all sorts of things on top, but it wouldn’t be an underlying blockchain. It would be a fundamentally different protocol or smart contract placed on top of an underlying blockchain, that different protocol could be interoperable.

The UI framework example… is a contribution of value towards a larger picture. if you’re not finding value in, or not taking an active role in, v4v won’t work. It’s in the definition, "framework -

a system of rules, ideas, or beliefs that is used to plan or decide something” if you’re not gaining value from the something than v4v doesn’t apply in this instance. I think advocates of v4v would agree that because you’re not taking a long term stake in the something, that a name your price model isn’t the right way to go for this unilateral exchange.

long-term investment from both parties. Your investors/producers might lack the technical sophistication, viewing them clueless users doesn't put them in a position of responsibility to stay involved.

In a v4v model, contributions of time and talent lead to deeper and more meaningful relationships between participants in this exchange, these connections extend beyond one-off transactions and can result in more sustainable and loyal investors.

Name your price, doesn’t offer the same mutual growth and reciprocity that a v4v proposition has.

The design has to be reciprocal, design the concept of “user” out of the network and proposition. Yes someone needs to start and lead the community from an initial contribution of creation, but that creation needs to include the space and necessity and long term commitment to open the door to diverse contributions.

it seems like your concept of v4v is the end user names their price. And this write up is a completely valid critique of the name your price foss model. v4v is rather an entirely different approach from the getgo… you don’t design for an end user in the v4v model, you have to treat the end user like they are an associate, they are the producer, they are the vc.

It indeed doesn’t work for everything.

You’re kinda missing the concept of time and talent as part of the value that could be contributed. Not fans but producers.

some use the small amount as a spam filter, (the maxis don’t like this term but it’s essentially ‘proof of sats’) then limit their reading of the “global” or “universe” feeds to just paid read. By paying for write access you show up in these feeds. But most of these relays allow free read access.

will look like this, is also interoperable with activity pub clients like mastodon

you could turn that into an emoji here (on supporting clients) and do like :bananaunicorn:

someone who rejects being called a skeeter 😂

I think a twitter user said social media = birds and then picked a big one that ram fast

a compound of the words nostr and ostrich

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alby should just have a pop up when you visit primal. I click to the side with that pop up on many sites and it gets lost in a sea of windows.

this is relays connect 7 should be the total, I think there might be a ghost bootstrap in damus so you always have +1 but that might of been removed

can an naddr be a noteid?

there like two system I need to make a info graphic of so I learn all the corollaries

they will never hold a flame to shower girl