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Nope, it has nothing to do with with sexual orientation or marriage…. Its more like the “don’t shit, were you eat” argument…..

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Quick comments and summary on the #drivechain discussion between Paul and Shinobi yesterday

Shinobi's argument: It's easy and riskless to reorg the sidechain, so this will happen, perhaps frequently. This is not disruptive to the L1 chain. Therefore there will be a significant discount between the bids for the sidechain block and the nominal value of the sidechain block. This induces L1 miners to obtain the blocks directly, instead of accepting bids from sidechain miners, which are deeply discounted.

Paul: OK, fine, but the discounted value of the block should be near the opportunity cost, so not a huge difference.

My comment: Actually, the discounts and risk of reorg are quite different depending on whether you are an L1 miner or a sidechain miner, have more hashrate than other miners, are willing to collude with other miners, or have deep pockets in to destroy opponents in a dollar auction or war of attrition. Larger corporate miners or coordinated pools have a distinct advantage and can be more aggressive and less defensive in reorging the sidechain.

Shinobi: Now L1 miners who mine the sidechains get a premium over those who are accepting bids. This gives these miners a distinct advantage. In particular small-time miners are unable to run a sidechain node will be left out economically speaking, which tends mining towards centralization.

I didn't quite follow Paul's response, it seemed to me like he was saying, "well that's just how it works" and not recognizing that this would be pushing smaller miners underwater, and that this is a bad thing.

Nobody who understands and truly use bitcoin wants this….its a web3 shitcoiners wants

It honestly comes across as a classic bitcoin affinity scam. We have working sidechains…that arnt trying to change the rules….that are empty… waiting for demand

Vanilla bitcoin lol. Are you looking to have your bitcoin mow your lawn for you. BTC is hard money.

Here is a break down of what Drivetrain is trying to solve

Drivechain offers several “benefits” 🤡including:

Scalability: Drivechains can help alleviate congestion on the main Bitcoin network by offloading transactions to large-block sidechains i.e. Thunder sidechains.

***Lightning can Solve scalability issues prolly far better then this ever will.****

Flexibility: Developers can experiment with new features and technologies on sidechains without risking harm to Bitcoin mainchain.

****you can already do this. Experiment to your hearts desire on Crypto Blockchains. Bitcoin will experience ZERO harm that way.****

Interoperability: value can be moved seamlessly between Bitcoin sidechains and Bitcoin mainchain, allowing users to use multiple blockchain applications without holding multiple cryptocurrencies.

Yet another made up issue that doesnt need solving.

***You can exchange assets all you want already without holding many of them…..any 20,000+ of them provide nothing useful that bitcoin cant do already other then maybe privacy levels of monero***

Security: Sidechains are economically secured by transaction fees. As a sidechain grows, it becomes stronger.

***Bitcoin is the most secure computer network on the planet. We do not need any form of connection to insecure scam networks.***

Rejection and avoidance of developing over already running layer 2s like lightning, liquid (and RSK), To try and force changes for another seems more like spite

You actually dont know that. Usually when people are this confident, it bits them in the ass. If its actually worth it. It should be tested over a fork of bitcoin. Otherwise its just a risk or an attack. The open market already shows people dont want care about shitcoin assets. Rootstock and liquid have no demand. Building off lightning is the logical step

The “right enemy” is the divid and conquer technique of the elite…

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