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"In an authoritarian state, rights derive from the state and are granted to the people. In a free state, rights derive from the people and are granted to the state. In the former, people are subjects, who are only allowed to own property, pursue an education, work, pray, and speak because their government permits them to. In the latter, people are citizens, who agree to be governed in a covenant of consent that must be periodically renewed and is constitutionally revocable." Snowden

I think it can scale, because it's similar to a cdn with more logic on the client side.

And yeah you are probably right about an incentive, this could be money or other things like certain groups caring about certain data.

found the first dev who already knew nostr. Turns out Hackernews works, we might need more exposure on those sites

almost the goal is always to find the optimal (least connections) relays for a given pubkey list. The request are then split based on what we know.

meaning if you do a request with ndk we might split the request and send partial filters to different relays.

The difference in lists vs jit is in the lifecycle.

dont update to flutter 3.32.0 (yet) if you use dart ndk. There is an issue on the rust_verifier related to CargoKit.

We will fix this in a new release when rust_bridge has the fix live

https://github.com/fzyzcjy/flutter_rust_bridge/issues/2739

cc: nostr:nprofile1qqsx8lnrrrw9skpulctgzruxm5y7rzlaw64tcf9qpqww9pt0xvzsfmgrefsyl

sorry, I suspect everyone is a dev now on nostr XD

also appreciate feedback or general ideas/pain points ideally on GitHub or #askCamelus

๐Ÿ‘‹ if you have any questions feel free to join the dev call tomorrow

https://dart-nostr.com/library-development/contributing/#communication-channels

swiss Bitcoin pay looks good. the problem is (in my experience) it's not reliable

3,8โ‚ฌ 0.5l water for a state owned company is insane #DB

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BREAKING: jury awards massive $167 million in punitive damages against spyware company NSO Group.

It turns out that the regular people on a jury think it is evil when you help dictators hack dissidents.

After years of every trick & delay tactic it only took a California jury ONE DAY of deliberation to get this Monsanto-scale verdict. Precedent-setting win against notorious #Pegasus spyware maker.

BACKSTORY:

Rewind to 2019. About this time (April-May) #WhatsApp catches NSO Group hacking its users with #Pegasus.

They investigated.

We at Citizen Lab helped to investigate the targets & get in touch with the activists journalists & civil society members that were targeted

We identified at least 100. And got in touch. It was a tremendous push of sleepless days. But it made it so clear just how much harm was being done.

Then, In October 2019 WhatsApp sued.

Prior to the lawsuit, NSO had acted the playground bully.

Targeting victims that dared speak up & researchers like us.

Suddenly, the bully wasn't so surefooted. Like the scene in a high school movie where the cousin shows up in the beat up car & collars the bully.

You might not remember, but in 2019 no country had sanctioned NSO Group... No parliamentary hearings, no hearings in congress, no serious investigations.

For years, WhatsApp's lawsuit helped carry momentum & showed governments that their tech sectors were in the crosshairs from mercenary spyware too...

Credit due to Meta & WhatsApp leadership on this one, they stuck the fight out & carried it across the finish line.

NOTIFICATIONS MATTER

WhatsApp's choice to notify targets was also hugely consequential.

A lot of cases were first surfaced from these notifications.

With dissidents around the world suddenly learning that dictators were snooping in their phones...with NSO Group's help.

A SIDEBAR: HARASSING RESEARCHERS

One of NSO's many tactics was to leverage the case to badger me & us Citizen Lab researchers to try and extract information.

It never worked, but it laid bare the tactics that these firms prefer...instead of coming clean.

ROLE OF CIVIL SOCIETY

Ultimately, we wouldn't be here without civil society investigations of mercenary spyware... and alarm raising.

And victims choosing to come forwads.

Thankfully today there's a whole accountability ecosystem growing around this work.

Dozens of orgs engaging.

Numbers are growing.

IS THERE GONNA BE IMPACT? YES

NSO Group emerges from the trial severely damaged.

The damages ($167,254,000 punitive, $440K+ compensatory) is big enough to make your eyes water.

NSO'S BUSINESS IS NOW ALL OVER THE NET

The case is also a blow to NSO's secrecy, with their business splashed all over a courtroom.

WhatsApp just published NSO's depositions, exposing an unprecedented amount of info on a spyware company's operations:

โœ…https://about.fb.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/WhatsApp-v-NSO-Eshkar-Transcrips_Case-4-19-cv-07123-PJH.pdf

โœ…https://about.fb.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/WhatsApp-v-NSO-Gil-Transcrips_Case-4-19-cv-07123-PJH.pdf

โœ…https://about.fb.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/WhatsApp-v-NSO-Shohat-Transcrips_Case-4-19-cv-07123-PJH.pdf

โœ…https://about.fb.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/WhatsApp-v-NSO-Gazneli-Transcrips_Case-4-19-cv-07123-PJH.pdf

This will scare customers. And investors. And other companies that do the same thing. Good.

MY VIEW:

Watching a jury of regular citizens see right through NSO's mendacity & hypocrisy...and to the need to protect privacy is amazing.

Gives me hope.

Despite all the fancy lawyering & lobbying, people know that this kind of privacy invasion is wrong.

Read more:

They Exposed an Israeli Spyware Firm. Now the Company Is Badgering Them in Court. https://theintercept.com/2024/05/06/pegasus-nso-group-israeli-spyware-citizen-lab/

Spyware maker NSO ordered to pay $167 million for hacking WhatsApp

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/05/06/nso-pegasus-whatsapp-damages/

NSO Group must pay more than $167 million in damages to WhatsApp for spyware campaign https://techcrunch.com/2025/05/06/nso-group-must-pay-more-than-167-million-in-damages-to-whatsapp-for-spyware-campaign/

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this is good, more people support climate measures than you might think

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-024-01925-3

multiple pm specs(nips).

they all have their strength and weaknesses, most promising for me (from a feature perspective) is MLS but it's also the most difficult to implement

pal store could be a option, still inconvenient for non technical users. But apple got a fine for it today

good that I am not alone with this.

The strange thing is even if I say "hey I corrected your code (inserting working code) please use the API like this" it still hallucinates its own API ๐Ÿ˜…

tried this vibecoding thing for a new camelus feature.

Spend 8hours debugging ai code and it still doesn't work.

I guess for Frontend it works but for something more technical it still fails miserable.

Or maybe I am not good promt "engineer" ๐Ÿ™ƒ

decentralized as long as it is "allowed" ๐Ÿ™ƒ

but jokes aside looks solid, there a not a lot of nostr apps with the same level of polish. ๐Ÿฅฒ

yes launched on pal store yesterday. quite good, they responded quickly

https://camelus.app