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The Trivium Blow-by-blow of this exchange for illustrative purposes (imaging you are reading an account of a boxing match) ...

nostr:npub1rtlqca8r6auyaw5n5h3l5422dm4sry5dzfee4696fqe8s6qgudks7djtfs makes a logical claim...followed by logical solution to that claim, followed by a closing argument that was opinion based. Well constructed...the claim is verifiable or falsafiable. The claim and the solution presented is the debate...GO...

nostr:npub13hgvezq9gm04a9hqs3uzmv869tm3wk26ql2tf3q037j59zk76c7spvhjry starts with an apeal to emotion("hot garbage") countered with a logical claim to nostr:npub1rtlqca8r6auyaw5n5h3l5422dm4sry5dzfee4696fqe8s6qgudks7djtfs 's OPINION (red herring argument) that [parenthood] is "simply the best". by countering with a straw man argument with the statement "some people would be better off not [having children]. -. Then concludes with the counter argument to the first logical point with the agrument that the "world doesnt need more people". (the counter claim)

@hodl makes a round-about ad hominem attack...

nostr:npub13hgvezq9gm04a9hqs3uzmv869tm3wk26ql2tf3q037j59zk76c7spvhjry responds by pointing out the ad hominem attack and produces his own...

@hodl responds by deflecting the previous ad hominem and produces a response to the original red herring ...the crowd goes wild!!!!!

The only way to get better ideas, it through better discorse. Let all learn together.

This isn’t clever, though it is cute. And also sad.

Calling his claim “hot garbage” is not an appeal to emotion. I don’t know where you learned dialectic, but it appears you missed a few classes. You have just enough education to appear sophisticated, but not enough to impress the initiated.

My claim that some people would be better of not having children is not a straw man, at all. While neither verifiable nor falsifiable (due to the fact that some life choices are somewhat, shall we say, permanent), it is YOU who are creating a straw man by distorting what I said. To wit, I did NOT write, as you claim, “the world doesn’t need more people.” I wrote, “The world doesn’t SIMPLY need more people.” Can you understand the difference? Try reading it again a few times for better comprehension. I’ll wait. In fact, my next sentence emphasizes that point by praising quality over quantity but, apparently you and HODL (and others here) think more is better no matter what quality of lives those people have, or what qualities of character good parenting might instill. 

Y’all just want MOAR and that is, in a word, dumb.

Since I apparently need to repeat myself, I did not call HIM or children in general “hot garbage” but evidently you and others think that me opposing his “make more babies” idea is the same as a personal insult. Is he *that* identified with this declarative? Are you? JFC, where did you people learn to communicate?

To repeat, with more emphasis:

Make babies (if you want to and feel you are ready to commit your life to raising a kind, responsible human being. The world needs more of that.)

Or, you can also…

Make art

Make money

Make love

Rescue animals

Protect nature

Protect the vulnerable

Read literature

Push science’s boundaries
Push technology’s boundaries

Travel the world

Climb mountains

Sail the oceans

Write songs

Write books

Write code

Study mathematics
Study philosophy
Study history
Study #bitcoin
Build a business
Be a mentor

Visit libraries

#Meditate

Appreciate music, poetry, sunsets, sunrises, friends, or community.

It’s all well and good that nostr:npub1rtlqca8r6auyaw5n5h3l5422dm4sry5dzfee4696fqe8s6qgudks7djtfs enjoys being a dad, but he has also admonished people for not doing so, and now others dogpile on to rebuke me for simply providing alternative sources for a meaningful life. ALTERNATIVES!

Can’t there be more than one way to live life? Or must we all be parents? Don’t you hear how insanely stupid that sounds?? I weep for your children. Oh, how some of them will let you down when they decide not to give you grandchildren because they want to pursue other paths WITH THEIR OWN LIVES. How immoral of them to not agree with what you think is the only way to live!

Here’s a tip: Don’t tell anyone that there is only one way to have a fulfilling life and that everyone must do it! Else, you are nothing more than a fanatic. (The world does not need more of those.) I would recommend you not have children until, at the very least, you come to that realization for yourself.

To conclude, I’m writing all this not to prove a point to you or any other breeder trying to troll me. Rather, to anyone else reading this who wants to remain childless, either because of personal choice, or sexuality, or medical condition, or any other reason, believe me when I tell you: Life is *also* wonderful and thrilling and fulfilling and happy without children. Don’t take any shit from anyone who tells you otherwise.

That’s fine, for you. Don’t lecture or condescend or presume or that it’s the right fit for others.

The fact that you can read my post and come to that conclusion demonstrates a paucity of value in your life.

We don’t have to.

But that doesn’t mean I’m going to stand by and let you (or anyone else in your mentions) shame people into having children as if it’s the only way to live a fulfilling life (as you have done in previous posts). Expect me to respond.

Make babies

Make art

Make money

Make love

Rescue animals

Protect the environment

Protect the vulnerable

Read literature

Push science’s boundaries

Travel the world

Climb mountains

Explore the ocean

Write songs

Write books

Write code

Study maths

Visit libraries

Appreciate music, poetry, sunsets, sunrises, friends, or community.

Don’t tell anyone that there is only one way to have a fulfilling life.

Wrong. I didn’t say children were hot garbage. I’m referring to your hot take about increasing the population. Don’t get it twisted. Some people want kids. Some people don’t. Simple as that.

My point is that it is NOT a life path many people and that’s totally fine.

Reread your post. Do I need to explain how declarative sentences work?

You repeatedly write that’s there is an imperative for people to have more children. I’m countering that telling people what choices to make with their lives indicates a bloated self-importance. And yes, now I am making it personal. You have no business telling people to have kids, or insulting people who chose not to.

In your view, describing his prescription that *everyone* should more babies as “hot garbage” is a personal insult?

Do not run from them.

Do not try to chase them, either.

Simply pay attention to your thoughts and sit with them, as they come and go.

Pay close attention to what happens when the current thought unravels and disappears. Where does it go? Where did it come from? How long can you hold onto a thought, without a new one coming up, unintentionally?

Are you your thoughts? Coming and going like a sensation or a flavor, moment to moment? Or are you something else, witnessing them? What is it, then, that is watching and experiencing all this?

#meditation

I’m presenting an argument.

You’re making a personal attack.

Is that how you raise your children?

One can only hope that this case will inspire a fresh interest in the other, and Ghislaine will sing.

Hot garbage.

Parenthood is not for everyone.

In fact, an effective case can be made that some people would be better off NOT doing it. The world does not simply need more people.

Choose Quality > Quantity and live your life accordingly.

Q: When did debt become a positive number?

A: A long time ago, with the advent of double entry bookkeeping. One party’s debt is another’s asset. The fact that this number is so high demonstrates how important credit is to the financial system. For a deeper explanation, read Graeber’s “Debt, the first 5,000 years.”

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