Population collapse is very real. Have a bunch of babies đ¶đŒ đ¶đŒ đ¶đŒ đ¶đŒ in addition to saving human civilization itâs simply the best.
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Wish my eyes were opened earlier. Wasted two decades in selfishness. Now I'm a grandpa dad. Simply the best
#grandpadad sometimes itâs not selfish but we are just in different points in our life - but youâre a dad now and thatâs the best.
To me, conversations about population collapse and climate change always sound fairly similar, as a result, I take them similarly seriously. Make of that what you wish. đ
Saying you have enough kids is like saying you have enough health. Itâs a blessing that can never be depleted.
Sadly I know many people who feel they canât afford to have more babies. What do you think a solution is for people who think this way?
Maybe they aware of their financial situations enough to know how many children they can support.
The solution is to stop thinking that way. Kids arenât that expensive.
My eldest nephew & his wife have nine kids. I hope you have at least that many đ
Well I beg to differ đ€Łđ€Ł I have 3. Definitely not cheap but I will say itâs something you just figure out. You may even work harder for them, and personally there isnât a better feeling than being their parent. Itâs not an easy task, but totally worth it.
You will never be able to afford children. But when you have them, you figure it out. You can't wait for the right time, it doesn't exist. If anything, the longer you leave it the harder it gets (age!)
I am one of 6
Makes me wanna move to a low cost of living area after I find wifey
It is totally a hyped thematic. It is probably the same people that see migration as a problem and the populationcollapse. Would one combine those intelligent the problem will be solved easily.
More investment in integration, education and free borders would attack such problems at their base.
Hot garbage.
Parenthood is not for everyone.
In fact, an effective case can be made that some people would be better off NOT doing it. The world does not simply need more people.
Choose Quality > Quantity and live your life accordingly.
Youâre right. You shouldnât be a parent for sure. I agree with you.
prime weâre not the same moment 
Iâm presenting an argument.
Youâre making a personal attack.
Is that how you raise your children?
Whereâs the personal attack? You think having children is âhot garbageâ weâre both in agreement itâs good you donât have them. You wouldnât want someone who thinks like you to have kids obviously. Thatâs your point above. We both agree.
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Wrong. I didnât say children were hot garbage. Iâm referring to your hot take about increasing the population. Donât get it twisted. Some people want kids. Some people donât. Simple as that.
My point is that it is NOT a life path many people and thatâs totally fine.
Weâll never agree on this friend
We donât have to.
But that doesnât mean Iâm going to stand by and let you (or anyone else in your mentions) shame people into having children as if itâs the only way to live a fulfilling life (as you have done in previous posts). Expect me to respond.
Make babies
Make art
Make money
Make love
Rescue animals
Protect the environment
Protect the vulnerable
Read literature
Push scienceâs boundaries
Travel the world
Climb mountains
Explore the ocean
Write songs
Write books
Write code
Study maths
Visit libraries
Appreciate music, poetry, sunsets, sunrises, friends, or community.
Donât tell anyone that there is only one way to have a fulfilling life.
Nah. Children are the meaning of life. The end.
When I was younger, I thought not having kids meant more freedom and fewer responsibilities. But as Iâve grown, I see how raising a family can be one of the most meaningful ways to create a lasting legacy and shape the future. Contributing to something bigger than myself is rewarding in ways I couldnât have imagined back then.
Darwin also called it *fitness*.
Thatâs all well and good FOR YOU, but there are a variety of ways to contribute to something bigger than yourself, if you have the inclination to do so and, perhaps, some imagination beyond your reproductive biology.
You misread Darwin. âFitnessâ has absolutely nothing to do with an individual decision to contribute to anything greater than the self.
You literally insulted him and then said he is making a personal attackâŠ.đ€Ą shoes
In your view, describing his prescription that *everyone* should more babies as âhot garbageâ is a personal insult?
Never said the word everyone so itâs weird youâre putting it in quotes as if that is what I said.
Reread your post. Do I need to explain how declarative sentences work?
You repeatedly write thatâs there is an imperative for people to have more children. Iâm countering that telling people what choices to make with their lives indicates a bloated self-importance. And yes, now I am making it personal. You have no business telling people to have kids, or insulting people who chose not to.
I can do whatever I want bud and so can you.
He didnât attack you
The Trivium Blow-by-blow of this exchange for illustrative purposes (imaging you are reading an account of a boxing match) ...
nostr:npub1rtlqca8r6auyaw5n5h3l5422dm4sry5dzfee4696fqe8s6qgudks7djtfs makes a logical claim...followed by logical solution to that claim, followed by a closing argument that was opinion based. Well constructed...the claim is verifiable or falsafiable. The claim and the solution presented is the debate...GO...
nostr:npub13hgvezq9gm04a9hqs3uzmv869tm3wk26ql2tf3q037j59zk76c7spvhjry starts with an apeal to emotion("hot garbage") countered with a logical claim to nostr:npub1rtlqca8r6auyaw5n5h3l5422dm4sry5dzfee4696fqe8s6qgudks7djtfs 's OPINION (red herring argument) that [parenthood] is "simply the best". by countering with a straw man argument with the statement "some people would be better off not [having children]. -. Then concludes with the counter argument to the first logical point with the agrument that the "world doesnt need more people". (the counter claim)
@hodl makes a round-about ad hominem attack...
nostr:npub13hgvezq9gm04a9hqs3uzmv869tm3wk26ql2tf3q037j59zk76c7spvhjry responds by pointing out the ad hominem attack and produces his own...
@hodl responds by deflecting the previous ad hominem and produces a response to the original red herring ...the crowd goes wild!!!!!
The only way to get better ideas, it through better discorse. Let all learn together.
wow you are the first one on nostr who knows the TRIVIUM
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NATURAL LAW
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This isnât clever, though it is cute. And also sad.
Calling his claim âhot garbageâ is not an appeal to emotion. I donât know where you learned dialectic, but it appears you missed a few classes. You have just enough education to appear sophisticated, but not enough to impress the initiated.âšâšMy claim that some people would be better of not having children is not a straw man, at all. While neither verifiable nor falsifiable (due to the fact that some life choices are somewhat, shall we say, permanent), it is YOU who are creating a straw man by distorting what I said. To wit, I did NOT write, as you claim, âthe world doesnât need more people.â I wrote, âThe world doesnât SIMPLY need more people.â Can you understand the difference? Try reading it again a few times for better comprehension. Iâll wait. In fact, my next sentence emphasizes that point by praising quality over quantity but, apparently you and HODL (and others here) think more is better no matter what quality of lives those people have, or what qualities of character good parenting might instill. âšâšYâall just want MOAR and that is, in a word, dumb.
Since I apparently need to repeat myself, I did not call HIM or children in general âhot garbageâ but evidently you and others think that me opposing his âmake more babiesâ idea is the same as a personal insult. Is he *that* identified with this declarative? Are you? JFC, where did you people learn to communicate?
To repeat, with more emphasis:
Make babies (if you want to and feel you are ready to commit your life to raising a kind, responsible human being. The world needs more of that.)
Or, you can alsoâŠ
Make art
Make money
Make love
Rescue animals
Protect nature
Protect the vulnerable
Read literature
Push scienceâs boundariesâšPush technologyâs boundaries
Travel the world
Climb mountains
Sail the oceans
Write songs
Write books
Write code
Study mathematicsâšStudy philosophyâšStudy historyâšStudy #bitcoinâšBuild a businessâšBe a mentor
Visit libraries
#Meditate
Appreciate music, poetry, sunsets, sunrises, friends, or community.
Itâs all well and good that nostr:npub1rtlqca8r6auyaw5n5h3l5422dm4sry5dzfee4696fqe8s6qgudks7djtfs enjoys being a dad, but he has also admonished people for not doing so, and now others dogpile on to rebuke me for simply providing alternative sources for a meaningful life. ALTERNATIVES!
Canât there be more than one way to live life? Or must we all be parents? Donât you hear how insanely stupid that sounds?? I weep for your children. Oh, how some of them will let you down when they decide not to give you grandchildren because they want to pursue other paths WITH THEIR OWN LIVES. How immoral of them to not agree with what you think is the only way to live!
Hereâs a tip: Donât tell anyone that there is only one way to have a fulfilling life and that everyone must do it! Else, you are nothing more than a fanatic. (The world does not need more of those.) I would recommend you not have children until, at the very least, you come to that realization for yourself.âšâšTo conclude, Iâm writing all this not to prove a point to you or any other breeder trying to troll me. Rather, to anyone else reading this who wants to remain childless, either because of personal choice, or sexuality, or medical condition, or any other reason, believe me when I tell you: Life is *also* wonderful and thrilling and fulfilling and happy without children. Donât take any shit from anyone who tells you otherwise.
This guy ia French and he is a fucking retard. He also believes that C02 influences the weather more than the sun.
Don't waste your time
The stats on this fact are compelling
Singapore is forecasting 0.93 births per woman this year. it's disaster level suff
I made 3. More than my fair share of these guys are a handful.
You presume there is a correct number of humans and that the correct number is >= the current number.
As long as the number is changing by entirely voluntary action by those involved, whatever number is fine.