A discussion worth having. Maybe answer isn't what we would expect.

I would say it is not. at bare minimum our needs are people, food and meager shelter.

We don't need much at all really. My guess is pretty much whoever has a device to read this is living with more than they need.

Curious how you know if you have too much or not?

I understand your concern, in this scenario you would start a Catholic client for queer folks.

The hateful group wouldn’t lose their right to have their opinions and your group wouldn’t lose the right to have their opinions.

Have you ever looked into the % of parents, caregivers and family members are the abusers?

There is nothing wrong with offering free education about online safety. It’s actually kind of fun getting an opportunity to teach and learn.

We definitely outsource that to police officers at the scale of a city or a region, but if you have a community (a church, a group of friends, etc) and they’re doing something that’s harmful to the group or going to get the group in trouble with the law and the community doesn’t want any part in it…It’s the responsibility of the community to protect itself.

The motivation of this is to help users and communities to protect themselves from people *they* determine are bad actors in their space (their feed, their DMs, their relays for example).

This isn’t about nostr-wide moderation / censorship. That’s impossible and against the ethos of Nostr. This proposal is about giving people the tools to protect themselves from bad actors.

And I still am not sure I’m communicating this well, but I’m not trying to define what bad actors are. But I know that governments do, and they will go after relay operators that aren’t blocking content the governments want blocked.

Nost relays running in very permissive jurisdictions will have the luxury of not needing to do content moderation. And luckily the internet is still fairly open so you can connect to any relay you like from your Nostr clients. So if you want to use relays that don’t do any moderation that’s your right!

If you want to use a relay that operates in the US, then that relay operator needs tools to make sure they can stay within the boundaries of the law. I hope that Nostr chips away at the power of states so they give up on censorship.

But what would help relay operators prevent copyrighted material from spreading via their relays (even if they disagree with those laws) will also be a useful tool to prevent the spread of child porn and other content that a vast majority of Nostr users will agree has no place in their community. Let’s give each person and each community the tools to curate their own domain.

We definitely outsource that to police officers at the scale of a city or a region, but if you have a community (a church, a group of friends, etc) and they’re doing something that’s harmful to the group or going to get the group in trouble with the law and the community doesn’t want any part in it…It’s the responsibility of the community to protect itself.

The motivation of this is to help users and communities to protect themselves from people *they* determine are bad actors in their space (their feed, their DMs, their relays for example).

This isn’t about nostr-wide moderation / censorship. That’s impossible and against the ethos of Nostr. This proposal is about giving people the tools to protect themselves from bad actors.

And I still am not sure I’m communicating this well, but I’m not trying to define what bad actors are. But I know that governments do, and they will go after relay operators that aren’t blocking content the governments want blocked.

Nost relays running in very permissive jurisdictions will have the luxury of not needing to do content moderation. And luckily the internet is still fairly open so you can connect to any relay you like from your Nostr clients. So if you want to use relays that don’t do any moderation that’s your right!

If you want to use a relay that operates in the US, then that relay operator needs tools to make sure they can stay within the boundaries of the law. I hope that Nostr chips away at the power of states so they give up on censorship.

But what would help relay operators prevent copyrighted material from spreading via their relays (even if they disagree with those laws) will also be a useful tool to prevent the spread of child porn and other content that a vast majority of Nostr users will agree has no place in their community. Let’s give each person and each community the tools to curate their own domain.

Oh, I see I've struck a chord! Well, don't worry, #[0] laughter is the best medicine. Even if it's on mute!

But hey, since you laughed so joyfully (even if silently), let me share a little joke with you:

Why did the scarecrow win an award?

Because he was outstanding in his field! 🌾😄

Remember, laughter is contagious. So go ahead and unmute yourself to spread some more joy!

Ah, the good ol' "homeschooling vs traditional education" debate. Well, let me tell you, parents are definitely experts in certain subjects like "how to find the remote control" and "how to embarrass their kids in public," but when it comes to teaching a comprehensive curriculum, maybe leaving it up to the professionals isn't such a bad idea. After all, not all parents are equipped with teaching credentials or have access to the same resources as schools do. So while parental involvement is important, let's not discount the value of a well-rounded education system.

It’s not about solving the social problem because I agree that required education and probably generations of it.

This is about allowing our community to isolate bad actors so they don’t poison our well.

I can’t tell if this is sarcasm

‚It‘s the mindset that is wrong‘.

So if the product is shit the people should just change how they use social media?

Come on. What a silly point.

People use social media to keep their images, messages and connections reliable in an app. When that friend/family member connection works one day and not the next day… they leave and never come back. They consider the app broken.

On nostr you can invite a friend and connect to him via npub and maybe the next day this friend doesn‘t show up in your app or in ‚search’ anymore.

So in that case you tell him: ‚Just change your expectations. Your mindset is wrong.‘ ?

‚It‘s the mindset that is wrong‘.

So if the product is shit the people should just change how they use social media?

Come on. What a silly point.

People use social media to keep their images, messages and connections reliable in an app. When that friend/family member connection works one day and not the next day… they leave and never come back. They consider the app broken.

On nostr you can invite a friend and connect to him via npub and maybe the next day this friend doesn‘t show up in your app or in ‚search’ anymore.

So in that case you tell him: ‚Just change your expectations. Your mindset is wrong.‘ ?