Subnostr

banjo 1y ago

GM Nostr!

Happy Saturday!

Nothing on the agenda today (other than my morning coffee)!

Maybe head out for some fishing...we'll see how the weather shapes up (looks like a nice day so far).

#coffeechain

Replying to

cuban

Observation ... seeing 2-3 cybertrucks a day so maybe they're selling well? Anyone else seeing this?

#asknostr

banjo 1y ago

I've only seen one...and it was out of state...

Replying to

Maria2000

Good morning nostr, and happy friday. Still playing catch up over here, but it should be a productive day. I think we'll go visit the resale shop today, then i need to make time to finish setting up my newly flashed graphene phone. Speaking of which, if yall havent tried using Simplex for voice calls, it works great. I had to have help on my install, and jumped on a call with mrecheese. Great voice connection using wifi only. Anyway, yall have a great day, enjoy your coffee, and remember that today is a gift. #coffeechain #grownostr #homesteading #simplex https://nostrcheck.me/media/8d9d2b77930ee54ec3e46faf774ddd041dbb4e4aa35ad47c025884a286dd65fa/f471ffd75a5d2fba38bb6dacabea87924abf94c138ef33ddcac5e9f51e7b6f22.webp

banjo 1y ago

Love the lineup -- some handsome birds! 😃

Replying to

Luke

Good morning my fellow #nostriches… been a rough week again and thankfully it’s Friday… yesterday a deer caused an airbag to deploy on the one car that is not in the shop, so next week I’ll be in a rental until one of our vehicles is done… just thankful my teenager in the passenger seat was fine and the seat belt kept him from even touching the airbag. I hope everyone has a great day and weekend. #gm #coffeechain #plebchain

banjo 1y ago

Pesky deer...a while back I hit one at about 55 MPH (had slowed down a bit from 65 before contact)...

So thankful for Ranch Hand

https://www.ranchhand.com/

Replying to

Tiago G

Maybe I’m too much of a conspiracy theorist but lately more than ever I feel that Hollywood movies exist to plant psychological seeds of possible dystopian futures, far from natural law, as sort of a first stage for upcoming psyops.

banjo 1y ago

Haven't watched a "Hollywood" movie in years...haven't been to a theater in...well, no idea how long.

Haven't missed it at all...(kind of like Twitter LOL)

Replying to proof of god

gotcha, well I guess the challenge is doing that on the client. I don’t see how it’s possible yet. But nostr still works, we can all chill out and live with the spam while we discuss solutions. I hope devs don’t view spam as a failure and feel they have to rush in any fix

banjo 1y ago

Agree--it won't be easy--but--if we *can* put content control in the hands of the users we'll have taken a GIANT LEAP forward with Nostr--

People ask "why not just use Twitter, or Mastodon or..." and "when will Nostr adoption reach a critical mass?"

Well, user-controlled content is the "killer app" that will answer both questions...

Replying to

walker

Learn the ONE SIMPLE TRICK guaranteed to lose you 40 IQ points FAST!!! 👇👇👇👇👇👇

https://v.nostr.build/KmJMCFB9nnfkd01H.mp4

banjo 1y ago

Ok, is it just me, or does Kamala *always* sound like she's whining?

(Maybe it's her voice, or maybe her delivery, but it's like nails on a chalkboard for me).

Anyone else?

banjo 1y ago

GM Nostr!

Happy Friday! (And a welcome Friday it is...)

Have a bit of work to do today, so hoping for a nice day (seems to be starting out that way). Looking forward to the weekend as well.

But (as always) starting out with my Raktajino...

#coffeechain

Replying to

Judge Hardcase

Don't conflate "CAN spin up their own relay" with "HAVE TO spin up your own relay". Again, only "if all relays" censored you would you be required to spin up your own. That means it would only take one like-minded individual as yourself to spin up their own censorship-free relay so that you (and all other like-minded individuals) wouldn't have to. At worst, this would-be issue presents opportunity (either to you or to anyone else) to cater to you and like-minded individuals.

banjo 1y ago

Yes, I do get it...yet I still believe (STRONGLY) that we need to develop tools that let USERS control and filter their own content--and to not rely on someone else (e.g., relay operators) to do it.

Frankly, the functionality to "focus" a user's feed is really missing from Nostr currently...developing such a framework would help to solve both problems.

Decentralization is the primary core tenet of Nostr--and any "filtering" should be decentralized as well.

Replying to

TKay

Yeah, on a bucket list somewhere.

banjo 1y ago

Keep an eye on Bring a Trailer...the pricing graphs are really helpful. You may find one that's more affordable than you may think...

https://bringatrailer.com/audi/r8/

Replying to

TKay

The only car that I truly loved, is the Audi R8. I remember promising myself I will buy this car even if it was 70 years old when I was able to afford it.

Wen R8? Maybe one day.

#carstr

banjo 1y ago

Ah, I agree--rent one (preferably on a track). You may find it's not quite what you expected...(or you may find it's exactly what you'd dreamed).

Either way, it's a win... 😃

Replying to unknown

Ok pedophile

banjo 1y ago

Hmmm...that certainly furthers the conversation...

Replying to proof of god

ok, but how am I ever supposed to mute the entire npub spam army? There seem to be many spam accounts and there seem to be more each day. Doesn’t client side “mute” seem kind of futile? Spammers can spam at scale, but how do I mute at scale?

banjo 1y ago

Exactly my point--it's not easy--so we (users) need better tools from the developers to enable user moderation of content (i.e., change the channel)

That's where development efforts shoudl be focused--enabling the USER to control (and choose) their own content, in and easy, simple, expedient way.

And yes, censoring content at the relay level is much easier to implement--yet my concern is that it takes us in the wrong direction (i.e., centralization vs. decentralization).

We're better than that--devs, please take up the challenge--Nostr is AMAZING--let's build the tools that will continue to inspire and yet stay true to the core reason Nostr exists--decentralized communication and freedom of speech!

Replying to

Girino Vey!

there are several ways, but the simplest one is: run your fucking relay!

banjo 1y ago

Said this in another reply, but are we really wanting Nostr's freedom of speech proposition to be "Hey spin up your own relay"?

We're better than that--we need to make things easier for folks to adopt Nostr...not harder.

Replying to

Judge Hardcase

I think Nostr was created to be censorship-resistant. That is to say, no matter how much a relay or client may choose to censor content, users are not limited by those censorship choices. Even if all relays and/or all clients chose to censor particular content, anyone is free to spin up their own relay and/or client instances to circumvent those censorship choices of others.

i.e. I think Nostr was created to render the value judgement of censorship moot.

banjo 1y ago

Yes, anyone CAN spin up their own relay, but do we really want to make that our freedom of speech proposition?

"Hey folks, Nostr is great--but you have to spin up your own relay to make it work if you don't want to be censored"

One of our greatest (current) problems is easy of use...I'd say going down the "spin up your own relay" isn't really our best answer...

Replying to Dan

The devil is in the details. How "wrong" censoring spam is really depends on how it done. How much decentralization was given up in the process? How many legitimate users were silenced inadvertently? This is a delicate issue, if it's to be handled optimally.

banjo 1y ago

Oh, no argument--it's a VERY complex issue--and "filtering" is one solution--

Yet it relies on counting on relay operators to then not censor other things...and that's when it gets sticky...

It's really the exact problem Facebook, Twitter, etc. are faced with--how much censorship is "ok"? And who gets to decide?

banjo 1y ago

GM Nostr!

Happy Thursday!

Neighbor's dog barking at 7:00 AM...glad I'm already up getting some coffee...

#coffeechain

Replying to

Girino Vey!

so you have thousands of independent central authorities to choose from….

banjo 1y ago

How will you know what a relay operator is "filtering"?

How will you know if information you'd like to see is not being presented to you?

How will you ensure a relay operator is not shadow banning certain accounts or topics?

How will you know if a relay operator isn't doing exactly what Twitter and Facebook have been doing?

Replying to

Girino Vey!

I'm not really sure what central authority you're talking about. There are, literally, hundreds (or even thousands) of relays. Which one is the central authority?

banjo 1y ago

Each relay operator is the "central authority", deciding what is to be seen (and not seen) by that relay's users...

Replying to

Matt

If you want absolutely no ability to filter any content whatsoever (censorship) to exist for users and relay owners, then you by extension do want to subject people to child porn and other unwanted content. That is literally what you are saying. Your argument is faulty. You can't have freedom and also tell others what they must allow on their relays, networks, and devices. I am not "silencing" your viewpoint. I'm simply laying out what your point of view is and disagreeing with it.

You can run your own relay and so can the spammers. That's the historical difference that you're leaving out. You guys can have it! That doesn't mean the rest of us want to be involved and it certainly doesn't mean we must sink our ships just so you can be on it.

I even stated in my post that different relays and clients would disagree on where the lines are drawn and people would thus need to be somewhere else. You're not off the network under that model. You just may not be on my screen, where you seem to think you have an inherent right to be. You don't.

banjo 1y ago

So...

Let's suppose a relay operator "filters" out spam--users are happy, and they sign up for that relay.

And it pospers--in fact, it becomes one of the most utilized relays on Nostr...

And...then let's suppose that relay operator at some point in the future decides that "Hunter's Laptop" is disinformation, and for the good of his users he begins "filtering" that...but...he never tells his users.

You can (of course) think of many such examples.

And yes in this model what and how to "filter" becomes the choice of each relay operator...and yet (if so) it also then becomes the RESPONSIBILITY of those relay operators to act altruistically, and to not become individual arbiters of truth.

This then becomes the proverbial "slippery slope"...

And while advocates would say "I'd never censor 'Hunter's Laptop'" the unfortunate truth is (likely) that some relay operators will be tempted to inject their own biases into their relays.

How will relay users then know what's being "filtered" (censored) by the relay operators? Or will users need to blindly trust those operators to not censor something else? And isn't that exactly what happened with Facebook and Twitter (and why Nostr was "born" in the first place)?