lol all of them?
seriously, you should look out for who is making you hate others. if you hate you can be controlled. just saying
OK but surely this was completely inevitable, and expected with certainty no?
Govt action like this is probably the most obvious foreseeable attack on bitcoin. If it can't withstand it, then that's all there is to it - slavery will win etc. I feel that's been obvious all the time.
Except when other people choosing not to wear a ridiculous mask or get a government injection was a step too much freedom for him.
> as a whole they were a bad generation, perhaps one the worst to yet exist in American life
what hateful nonsense.
completely meaningless generalization, simply stirring up animosity in 1 group against another.
James, if you are telling me you have confidence that the government will never stop you from using cash, then I honestly don't know how to help you.
It's sh*tcoin, not altcoin.
Altcoin infers there's an alternative to #Bitcoin but we all know 'There. Is. No. Alternative.'
- nostr:npub1paj65nf92xpx8pec38esgl74ugvdxwejmpjw3gs3m8qy2ghaxywsyq4wpx
#BitcoinTwitter
implies not infers
Well since you want to discriminate on this basis, during covid tyranny I didn't see young people do shit compared to "middle-aged and elderly people". They just kept scrolling and complied pretty much.
Most young people - quite naturally - are morons because they haven't been forced to learn things the hard way yet.
But anyway fuck you with your age bullshit, we are all humans and judging or categorising someone by a characteristic they can't change is basically the root of all evil.
Um no it only has to happen once. And such things have happened before.
Cash belongs to them they can turn it off whenever they like.
In 2017 it looked a lot worse than that.
But the point is, let them go ahead and make their fork. I couldn't give a fuck. And everyone will know it's bullshit.
The real issue will be if they can kill our fork.
It's just whether bitcoin can be killed or not - always has been.
All the biggest corporate actors, exchanges and miners in bitcoin agreed to fork it, against the will of the devs and plebs.
They got completely wrecked.
Sequel coming soon, as the suits try to get control - but the ending will be the same..
COPA coming to Samourai’s defence is what I expect to see announced next. This is a historic case that will determine the future of Bitcoin.
The high stakes Samourai case is no different to Bernstein v. United States, and requires a final, definitive answer to the fundamental (already answered) question, “What is the true nature of all cryptographic operations taking place in computers?”.
And Bitcoin is simply math being performed in computers, and it is literally nothing more than that. The same arguments for Bernstein, and Phil Zimmerman’s case (http://www.skypoint.com/members/gimonca/philzima.html) apply to Samourai, and the same defences should work if The Constitution hasn’t changed. And it hasn’t.
If COPA do not rise to this challenge and defend the underdog, then the floodgates will be opened for the missapplication of money laws to all Bitcoin operations no matter what they are.
At the fundamental level, Bitcoin is speech. This is not “Semantics”; this is a plain statement of fact, established in law.
Everything you do in Bitcoin is protected speech. If you believe that this event applies only to “mixing”, you are mistaken.
The simple act of “moving” Bitcoin from one address you are known to control and are registered with, to another address that is an “unregistered Bitcoin address” could be construed as a criminal act in the future if COPA don’t kill this.
And I hope they kill it. With fire.
@opencryptoorg
what's COPA? I couldn't find it with a google unless you mean something to do with soccer
This has been said before but not enough.
Do you think we will have digital money someday? True internet currency?
If you do (are we going to print bills and make coins forever? Maybe actually), there are two ways to do it.
1) the fed makes a money database (CBDC)
2) decentralized open protocol (Bitcoin)
1 is the naive way to go. The fed makes money now, and has some sort of ledger for the banks it deals with. Just extend that to everyone.
The reason why it is naive is the unprecedented power that puts in the hands of the gov’t.
Every txn and account balance visible, full discretion over access.
The founding fathers couldn’t ever conceive of a way to have that much control. An unelected official could take away the ability for someone to buy food in an instant with no due process.
Less obvious, imagine a market regulator having insight into the exact balances, P/Ls of all of the industry players they regulate. You think insider trading / lobbying in congress is bad now?
1 is true and total control. I don’t think most (including in the US gov) really want this? I also don’t think most people understand the implications of 1, especially if it’s packaged as “safe, trusted, just like dollars, fair”
2 is the opposite. Maximum access, no central control, but bad guys will use it. I really liked Natalie Smolenski’s talk at the bitcoin policy summit recently https://youtu.be/UiDa_wP8q3s
Is there an in between? This is much like the encryption debate— you can’t have backdoored encryption to make sure bad guys don’t use it. The backdoors will be used against the good guys / everyone. Half encryption is no encryption.
In a digital currency system, the same principle applies. Bitcoin and lightning built on top of it use cryptography at their core. To try to police or patrol either at the protocol level is to break the things that make them neutral and valuable in the first place. Might as well use the database.
This is the fundamental issue we face today. I worry most people won’t realize the importance until it’s too late.
> Less obvious, imagine a market regulator having insight into the exact balances, P/Ls of all of the industry players they regulate. You think insider trading / lobbying in congress is bad now?
Good point - competition would essentially be a facade behind which a single entity actually allocates capital and harvests returns.
Pretty much like democracy (in the US anyway), where the 2 parties are fundamentally the same. There are synthetic differences on "hot" social issues, to give the appearance of democracy while business as usual (war, mainly) continues behind the scenes whoever is the face of the regime.
I wonder already about intelligence services doing this - using their access / power to get inside info, or even create market-moving events.
"the goal.. ..is not a successful war. The goal is an endless war"
seen this movie before 😎
https://dcgco.medium.com/bitcoin-scaling-agreement-at-consensus-2017-133521fe9a77
Lol sure cash and coin are100% permissionless until the government withdraws permission with the stroke of a pen, stops it being legal tender and then its just paper and alloy.
yes tho i always assume germany pulls the strings? as it has all the money?
there are other legend MEPs:
https://www.rt.com/news/463220-irish-mep-free-assange-european-parliament/
i've met mick wallace and he was great