That is what the WEF appears to be at a surface level. Politicians like Starmer have unequivocally stated they serve the interests of the WEF over that of their country. These are people who have aligned with globalists against their own citizens.
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I think whenever I have these discussions, it is exactly to what you are saying - the balance between ignorant participation and knowingly acting in a certain manner for other reasons. And I agree with you on that mostly - they are largely just people doing things they genuinely believe in. However, bad actors do exist in these positions, too. Well, technically, I would say those people are above governments are not usually in the public light, but some hide out in plain sight. I think both these things are true.
It is the tactic of compartmentalisation. It is how the policies can be distributed in a way that seems very organic, but hardly ever is.
"Politicians like Starmer have unequivocally stated they serve the interests of the WEF over that of their country"
Well what he said was he'd rather be at Davos - not that he serves the WEF. I'd expect his reasoning would be exactly as I said - that its a place to network and plan with global partners in govts and business etc blah, we have global problems that need global solutions blah.
"they are largely just people doing things they genuinely believe in"
For what its worth I don't think these people (the sheep / normies / useful idiots) believe in anything at all. They simply follow the herd with varying degrees of awareness.
I find the following classification useful:
*Sheep* are those who follow the herd because they want an easy life - though they may well know its nonsense and say so.
*Normies* are those who follow the herd because they've convinced themselves they "believe" in the issue at hand. Of course they don't really believe it, it could be anything at all, but they are committed to professing that belief extravagantly. What they really believe is in the importance of following the herd - and in their deserving of high status in it.
But yeah nothing is real for them I think, except the herd. They will literally sacrifice their children in order to follow it.
Yes every ISP employee should be behind bars right now
Here's the debunking.
When a fact checker has to admit the basics of the conspiracy theory correct, and rely on "but correlation isn't causation" then you know somethings up!
"At some point, it becomes to difficult to pretend that all of these things are organic, such as all governments agreeing to shut down their countries and enforce the same 'guidelines' unilaterally. "
Having worked in a govt this is absolutly what I think. They had specific plans for pandemics (which I worked on). When they were clearly not going to fly they'll have looked around for any alternative, and there's none better than doing what everyone else was doing.
They were even explicit about this - eg saying we had to lock down because the rest of Europe was locking down. And they were right. It's herd logic.
The only thing that has changed to make covid etc far worse than previous panics is that the herd is now supercharged by phones. The waves of fear and anger are hugely more powerful.
There's not much I disagree with there. I think there may be "top down" edicts but not necessarily explicit ones - its just obvious to everyone involved what they should do if they're paying attention. But most of those will be "here's how to exploit and pump this herd dynamic" and not "now we move to phase 2.5b of the plan".
For example, I can't believe all these leaders really report to the WEF, however much Klaus Schwab brags of "penetrating" ze governments.
What seems far more likely is that the WEF is kind of like a conference organizer. The participants are people with power and people who want power - the elite if you will - but the power doesn't come from the WEF. So they socialize and they're all alike and they share their hopes and strategies for exploiting the masses - and when stuff happens it should be no surprise they act in a way that looks co-ordinated. They all jump on things like covid and climate change precisely because they all see the opportunities it affords them. The oppression evolves organically.
I'd guess that you may agree the herd has some power - in which case our disagreement ultimately might be the balance between them?
I believe this stuff is still very much top down. They manufacture most of the things they call crises, many of which don't even exist anywhere but in the media, and many people simply take them at face value without questioning.
The 'herd dynamics' as you accurately point out make it far easier for them to craft and drive these narratives today since communication and messaging is far-reaching. They put on 'table top' exercises like Event 201 in order to simulate their plans before executing them, so that they can study all the possible outcomes of a crisis and steer them in the intended direction, as well as propose solutions to these made-up issues.
They simulate all of it. The people who orchestrated covid were very much aware of how much fear and panic they could drum up - that was the point. It was a military-grade psychological operation. The actual military and 'nudge' units were and are still involved. They gaslit and continue to gaslight people with bot accounts who attack anyone telling the truth, casting doubt on what is being said by anyone who reads it, when you have responses coming from sock-puppet accounts while real people are censored.
None of it was real - overwhelmed hospitals, people dying in the streets, etc, but they used these as tools in order to attain their goals. Their efforts killed millions of people, and mental broke millions more. A process of demoralization, as Yuri Bezmenov once spoke about.
The system is designed in such a way that many of the effects are organic, because most people (even in government) are not aware of the bigger picture and they conform to stay elected. Literal useful idiots, and people who are drawn to positions of power tend to skew towards having psychopathic tendencies, making them ideal candidates to execute inhumane actions against their fellow people. Not only under the guise of safety and decency, but also because they simply don't care about others, and are therefore the exact puppets the controllers seek out and elevate into positions of power.
Mike Benz does a lot of good work talking how they orchestrate some of this stuff. Here is an older video of his where he explains the concept of 'capacity building' and 'capacity crippling', which I had not heard of before:
https://x.com/MikeBenzCyber/status/1704606709098885629
The genius of these tactics is that once they create an industry out of something, it is very hard to dismantle because they appeal to the humanity of the average person - "think of all the people who won't have jobs, we can't just eliminate an entire sector even if it is all based on lies. But it's not a lie, shut-up or we'll arrest you!"
Yes, I have this discussion a lot - and I'm in a very small minority who believe its bottom up.
To me they're kind of unfalsifiable hypotheses - but as with "science" I'd much rather carry around my unfalsifiable hypothesis than yours on this one!
Also I feel many people "on our side" give "them" too much credit and respect - almost deifying them as all-powerful beings who are 10 steps ahead of anything. What's the point in resisting if that's the case? It feels almost like fetish with some people.
And I think its not the case - they are just humans like us and most of them actually believe their own bullshit. For me there's no way eg bill gates is unjabbed. Even pfizer people who covered up the side-effects will be jabbed.
To be fair most people would be terrified to have an authentic opinion. Which is how they get away with it (until they don't).
I do think there is a difference between our situation now and, say, communist USSR or other historical totalitarian regimes. They seemed very much to be top-down, with the course of events predetermined by a high committee - as per agenda 2030 etc that you cite.
But I think things are different now. The elites now gain their power from exploiting human herd dynamics - riding the waves of panic, fear and hate, pumping them up if they can - but not by creating the waves themselves which is much harder and more costly to them.
Eg whatever the origins of covid I cannot see how anyone could have forecast the total panic it caused - and the commensurately huge opportunity it gave to extend tyranny.
Where I live the government spent about 2 weeks literally saying covid was not a big deal, the most important thing was to keep going as normal. Then they realized they'd be washed away unless they got on board with the wave of hysteria sweeping through the herd.
Which gives me great hope for humanity. I think we evolved to have 95% of ppl simply want to follow - without any conception of good or bad, right or wrong, except doing whatever the herd was doing or told them to do. You'd need that in a tribe that had to work together to kill food, resist other tribes etc.
But there have always been about 5% who are different, who think independently and are connected to reality outside the herd. Most of the time these dissidents are persecuted and harassed but they are the ones from which all progress comes - and sooner or later the herd ends up following them. By which I mean us!
For example I think we owe most of our traditions of western freedom (which are currently being eroded but which something happened to create in the first place) to the persecution of dissidents in europe in the 18th century. The puritans had a continent to go to and build a new society based on freedom from that persecution - and created America.
I think a golden age is just around the corner - and bitcoin and nostr are the new continent where we can build a new world based on freedom.
Not to justify the arrest, but to give some context in the Telegram CEO getting arrested, there are people using it as a market place for CSAM (child porn).
Understanding how and why they shutdown platforms and protocols is important to understand.
https://cyber.fsi.stanford.edu/io/news/addressing-distribution-illicit-sexual-content-minors-online
Hmm but also they shut down parler simply because donald trump might post there
a drug used in the uk to basically put old people out of their misery. perhaps reasonable imo if they're definitley dying but during covid docs who were too scared to visit nursing homes just prescribed tons of midazolam remotely.
no way to know how many old people were essentially euthanised this way but seems very unlikely to be zero.
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The purpose is to habituate the masses to their coming enslavement
Or midazolam
Yeah and there is no way they could have existed under present day's gravity 😅
I wamt a bacon farm
They look like fun pets until its eatting time...
https://video.nostr.build/2df216645bef1863bf51ab0cc561734d3c49885153e93d745ebdfe9815c980f8.mp4
Farmer friend of mine got some pigs partly as pets for kids. They were terrifying. Totally obsessed with food. You went anywhere near the pen they started freaking out, hurling themselves against the walls because they thought you might feed them, or they could eat you.
Well, really I appreciate you taking the trouble to set all that out and explain your view. However if I'm honest I find it impossible to follow with the effort I'm willing to put into it. There are many concepts that have no meaning to me, and statements that I cannot connect to my understanding of reality without doing more work than I'm willing to at this point (also I have no particular beef with the mainstream account of gravity and such). I hope you don't feel it's been wasted - maybe I'll return to this someday.
To pick up something else you said (about living in a simulation), one reason I would not be inclined to devote a lot of energy to this stuff is that I don't really see any point in taking one view rather than another. The entirety of scientific enquiry reaches a dead end when you ask the question: "how do I know what I'm seeing is real". There is no answer to that - at least none which can be reached with the scientific method, which relies on the notion of objective truth, which can easily be shown not to have any logical meaning.
So where I got to with science is that basically there is my consciousness - essentially just a viewpoint from which I perceive things, including my own body and feelings - and that's all that can be proven to me using science.
The interesting stuff is then what describes or explains my consciousness, as defined. I'm interested now by ideas of whether consciousness is inextricably connected to my physical body or not - and, if not, what context it exists in, and whether other consciousnesses are connected by that context.
Things like near-death experiences could be taken to suggest that consciousness is NOT limited to the physical body, and does not terminate at death.
My hypothesis for this is that there is, let's call it, a 5th dimension (speaking extremely loosely) on which consciousness exists. It connects in some way to physical bodies but the connection is not strictly necessary or permanent. And perhaps consciousnesses can interact directly when they are not connected to physical bodies.
All of that seems consistent with the science I know - and cannot be disproven. Nor is it provable, or falsifiable, but I've been down to the bottom of physics and it seems to me that isn't either! So if you're going to carry around a non-falsifiable view of existence it might as well be a mind-expanding one that allows life beyond physical existence, and communication between consciousnesses on a non-physical plane.. ..and which seems to be roughly shared by the majority of humans who have been born!
It actually comes surprisingly naturally... 😅
OK, thanks.
"Any object falling to the ground is the result of dielectricity seeking its null point, accelerating towards counterspace"
This gives me the explanation I'm after.
But you have used 2 words that I have not heard before -"dielectricity" and "counterspace". Nor can I find any generally accepted definitions of these - at least none which make sense to me in the context you've used them.
Can you define or explain them please? (Even better would be to put this in the context of the greater explanation of the object falling).
Many thanks!
