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Oberon Ohana
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Author of Logical Map: Data and Material Flow Visualization

If you go to spideroak (com), it has a different focus. There is a link to crossclave (com) for the download of One. Both sites also reference refactoring. Crossclave has working like moving products to on-prem, etc. Is One orphaned? Are the suits selling out to the money machine of the day and sacrificing the original product? I don't know. All of this happened since I used it. While I was trying to figure this out, I found somebody on Reddit who was leaving SpiderOak One and referenced this list:

https://comparisontabl.es/cloud-storage/

It is a familiar story. For some reason companies can't just stick with what they do well. You would think that a Snowden certification on the product would get you a rock solid brand. That was why I originally got it.

$6/mo. for 150GB storage, which for stuff like the OP is fine. At least when I had it, they were very precise as far as security concerns. It is the only service I've ever had where if you delete it, it is gone, without annoying follow-ups. You disappear. Their 2TB isn't that much more than Google One. My only concern is the health after their split. It looks like 2 years ago they hit a rough patch. That was after my time with them. My experience with their GNU/Linux client was good, which is another rarity.

https://crossclave.com/one/

Well, I should have just stayed off your thread, then, as I'm not in your domain. Take care.

I don't track bitcoin, I admit. Are you referring to AI being able to trace the flow of funds in a way you couldn't do before?

OK. I can see that. But, it is also true that you could plug in any number of items there in place of "Grok". My point is just that there is a metacrisis part to this. Why Grok? Our global population combined with the complication of the global supply, combined with stuff like higher costs drilling for oil and minerals, the result of information warfare on the cognition of citizens, topsoil loss... list goes on, means we rely more and more on centralization from a technical and government perspective. We don't like it. Like the orphan crushing machine idea, underneath all of this is a larger problem, an overarching meta problem. The related problems are the polycrisis. Our neglect of externalities and extractive culture are the metacrisis. I just saw your list as a list of polycrisis terms. The paper I reference is much better at explaining this. It is kind of like how the victors dealt with Germany after WWI. Arguably this led to the political changes leading to WWII. In this case the penalties of the victors, the vindictiveness, created a similar suite of related issues as symptoms. We did not repeat the same thing with Japan. That turned out better from most perspectives.

End-to-end encrypted sync. You can use it like Dropbox or iCloud. I've used it for a few years. They have gone through some changes since this article, but it looks like they have settled. I haven't used them recently because of the cost. They are famous for a Snowden endorsement:

https://siliconprairienews.com/2014/08/snowden-endorsed-spideroak-doesn-t-want-the-key-to-your-private-info/

Replying to Avatar AdamHodl

Technology that has shifted human civilization typically has been in the realm of advancements in communication. Or in other words, reducing friction between people coming together. Tech we consider standard or even obsolete spurred an immense amount of innovation which typically did not build upon them the way we would consider layer 1 technology, but influenced societies all together.

Airplanes, automobiles, telegraphs, phones (in all their forms), were time machines that catapulted the user forward faster and farther than they would have ever reached otherwise. They reduced latency between people interacting.

Even more recently, going from 2g to 3g to 4g and now 5g, we saw humanity propelled forward because the reduced friction, measured in latency and bandwidth, allowed for us to communicate and collaborate faster.

AI is a lever that will undoubtedly help more men and women move the world, but it's not yet in the same category as the technology that reduces friction between human interaction. It's a productivity gain that magnifies what one person can accomplish. I am not yet sure if it will be a net positive on humanity, though. Depends on how we address property rights in a brave new world and whether income becomes conditional on foregoing civil liberties. Getting incentives right to spur innovation and stabilize society will be tough.

I think technologies like Neuralink may actually be more positively impactful on societies, because it resembles other innovations in the past that have done the same, in that it can reduce latency and increase bandwidth in communication. It will have its dangers at first, undoubtedly, but within a few generations, I have faith those will be worked out through an anti-fragile system, because we share incentives, regardless of class, for it to be, and it can become ubiquitous.

Our idea of what progress is needs to mature, IMO.

https://consilienceproject.org/development-in-progress/

I did look for black eyed peas in the cupboard, and there were none this year (I thought there were!!). 2026 is cursed, because I'm settling for potatoes at the last minute. I've hit roughly 20 years of black eyed peas.

Hmmm... I might have to look some more... okayish passive watch doesn't sound appealing. I only watched a few of Electric Dreams. I just realized Silo came out with season 3... add that! eeeee

I'm a late comer to shows like this. I like to watch shows as I eat lunch on my break from coding/writing. 2025 was Mr. Robot and The Wire for me. I'm watching Orphan Black now. I've been thinking Stranger Things might be good. I like character development (particularly Better Call Saul... ).

I see you. That can be difficult and discouraging. I've had a friend that goes back 45 years... seriously, that long. We used to talk about networking microcontrollers while walking the train tracks, stepping on the ties. We had yet another nasty conversation yesterday. I can't let go of old friends, even if they are abusive (or, perhaps, I am an annoyance, and am being pushed away... that is another perspective).

I have a full UI with a PDF download (and the correct MIME type, so it will open in the browser as well).

https://blossom.primal.net/93af0d6c5650d4fea9e899c3b2cf0fcdd6c00e2c0949799b65f8967df86a0e5c.mp4

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2025:

Besides working on Logical Map and refining Floppy PNG, I learned about many forms of messaging. I sent map updates over #ATProto, #Nostr, and ended up with my own modified pure WebSocket version using the Nostr (NIP-01) event object for extensibility. The conceived application was for collaborative knowledge graphs. I verified each update with a signature, running a Deno server to process. In the end, I decided that it was too much to add to my main paper, which I'm still writing, and cluttered up the application code. Instead, I focused on merge features and import/export in the app. I'm happy with this approach.

2026:

I need to finish the Logical Map paper. I'm targeting the complexity and format of the Bitcoin whitepaper. (I'm really nerding out on the format consistency for both PDF and HTML versions). I also want to build my own messaging infrastructure based on what I've learned in 2025. My current thought is it should be a pure Mosquitto MQTT broker with Client TLS self-signed certs. I'd like to integrate with other feeds like Telegraf. There is a sweet spot somewhere of metrics/monitors and collaboration on maps as systems fail, and I think I can add some perspective there with my experience running large IT networks. I think it will be useful to use the Nostr event object @kind 1. I appreciate the beauty of that. But, I also think that securing the identity of the client and server is important for spam/security/cost perspectives. I'm fairly sure I won't double up. That is, I won't use secp256k1 sigs if I'm already using x.509. But, I'll do a decent analysis of that and wait before I pin a solution. This *might* also serve as simply a secure tunnel/messaging. That is, as long as I have the Nostr event object, I could treat the MQTT/Client TLS as a tunnel that passes messages with proper secp256k1 sigs. This *might* also serve as the desired key delegation mechanism. The server could filter npubs and route to MQTT topics. Well... that is enough for 2026. The big priority is Logical Map, of course.

Addition: I need to look at the problem of #OfflineFirst browsing for my maps. Is there a version that will work that doesn't have all of the extra stuff in browsers these days, yet supports the features I use in my code? Is there something I can compile with NoNIC ( https://nonic.org )? Is there something that doesn't require the Rust ecosystem? (Rust stuff is a negative, as it ports almost an entire OS to make it work seamlessly for devs, and it requires an Internet connection to build... at least last time I checked/built up Firefox). My hunch is that the Electron project w/ Node might work. Something using #QuickJS ? Anyhoo... no need to speculate on design, but this is another thing I want to do in 2026.

The security flaws are a feature in this case (the encrypted file is identical each time, so it can facilitate incremental remote syncs, as you probably know). One thing I should add from experience: if you happen to try this, don't get fancy on the algorithm. There are incompatibilities with macOS at some levels, so test it. I do hub/spoke one-way, so there is little risk (my GNU/Linux box is the hub. I've been doing this over 15 years and never lost data.

The work that Bateson and Mead did as part of WWII and into the cold war along these lines is both interesting and under-reported. Benjamin Breen's book, from my perspective, holds back on direct associations and conclusions, but they are there. He even nudges into Harvard/Kaczynski... those folks were all related at dark corners. I know we are at 1000X, now.

My guess is I'd use Deno on the client side so I could stay in JavaScript land (I like it... have reasons... don't judge me).

anyway... It looks like Deno can handle the above... there was a closed GitHub issue, but I can't see it. FU Github... but, I know you are a for-profit company, so fair is fair. I post all my code on floppypng.com CC0, so I don't fall in that trap. I can't believe how people that are supposedly maximalist freedom meme adherents are still mostly on github.

But, again... that is a future life... I've been 12 hours a day, 7 days a week (mostly) since May of 2019 working on Logical Map and related. When that gets more sane, I'm not so sure I'll have the inclination to bring up an MQTT server to do this.

Every time I hit a paywall, Sheldon says bazinga!