Yeah and modern sectarianism seems limited to calling each other apostate/heretic/etc on the computer. “X aren’t REAL Christians” type talk. And then when you get into why it’s abstruse theological disputes and scriptural arguments about things that don’t matter on the ground floor like “we demand to eunuch your boys and make them wear wigs,” which basically none of us agree with.

Partly correct. Unified movements are better at making decisive and fast action, but they’re also susceptible to single point of failure issues. Kill the King, and the empire falls. But diffuse movements are slower to move, and harder to route out permanently. With Christianity, there’s only one King, and it’s hotly debated what He is even really about internally. There’s no unification except on certain handful of topics.

Well, yeah. There’s also the issue of forced conversions. Christianity won’t succeed in forced conversion at scale because it’s too disparate. If opphunter88 tried to force me to convert to Lutheran faggotism I’d hard reject it. I’d tell him to fuck off and if it escalated to violence I’d kill him. I bet he’d flip the fuck out if I tried to forcibly convert him to LDS, too, even though as far as the serious moral tests of the century are concerned my denomination is less flawed.

And to be clear, I wouldn’t blame him. Robbing people of free will is just cause to go on the warpath, and he’s suggesting exactly that because he thinks his e-ministry vindicates him.

Well, “winning.” Most of Christendom is entirely fallen. Catholicism, Lutheranism, they’re all fag churches. LDS hasn’t fallen entirely but it’s flirting with it by trying to appease fags with “we’ll support gay marriage in secular life if you leave us alone.” LDS is the best option in this respect, which is the real moral test of the century, but I’m not entirely satisfied with the answer. They get a C.

Rightoids in general, not just Christians, are still too comfortable for the kind of action you’re suggesting. That comes later, when their kids haven’t eaten in a couple days.

Taking down the Internet would be the stupidest thing they could possibly do. Suddenly, everybody has to touch grass again for social interaction, and there’s no more reason to carry around your personal tracking device.

What ecumenical councils editing all your scriptures for centuries does to a mfer. 😔

Odd, considering we’re told faith alone does not suffice.

nostr:npub1wkwhx86vqdp2zel4uepr0uhs8rzm9mmn4jhdsnw4vnn5gy8zdedsh2y9sj There are certain things LDS can do that would convince me to just leave. If they really cuck on the fag shit like the big Lutheran churches did, I'm just done. I'm also inclined to leave if they selectively enforce anti-racism on white people.

I suppose my view on religion is much more orthopractic than it is orthodoxic. I really don't take denomination wars very seriously on scriptural grounds, I look at how people actually act. It's a big paradoxical because I spend quite a bit of time reading these texts, but when I take all of them on board in their totality this is the conclusion I arrive at: all of this abstruse theological crap doesn't matter as much as actually being decent.

nostr:npub1wfvuzlcg08v2kz04pzed9jwpdv84rlxsd26eyy6q9m0ldn37swjq0hyfp8

nostr:npub1wkwhx86vqdp2zel4uepr0uhs8rzm9mmn4jhdsnw4vnn5gy8zdedsh2y9sj I ordered that four part series of tomes so I can read about those topics in a much more serious context. But if I'm being honest I just wanted to yank your chain here.

Also if you can cherry pick Luther I can cherry pick Joseph Smith :anintellectual:

nostr:npub1wfvuzlcg08v2kz04pzed9jwpdv84rlxsd26eyy6q9m0ldn37swjq0hyfp8

nostr:npub1wkwhx86vqdp2zel4uepr0uhs8rzm9mmn4jhdsnw4vnn5gy8zdedsh2y9sj nostr:npub1wfvuzlcg08v2kz04pzed9jwpdv84rlxsd26eyy6q9m0ldn37swjq0hyfp8 Starting Mormonism II where I re-restore the gospel by removing all modern cuckoldry and make church policy and revolve around which Bible/Book of Mormon verses are the most based. I'm going to call my denomination Correctivism because it's all about correcting past mistakes and also about being Correct with a Capital C.

Let's start here. Nogunz faggots can't make it past the terrestrial kingdom because they're bitchmade.

nostr:npub1wkwhx86vqdp2zel4uepr0uhs8rzm9mmn4jhdsnw4vnn5gy8zdedsh2y9sj no no, when I say universalist, I mean in the sense that anybody can be a Christian. It's not an ethnoreligion like rabbinical judaism is.

Did you get into Lutheranism because he took the jew pill?

Well, by nature, no human institution functions as gatekeeper between me and God, and Orthodoxy/Catholicism absolutely aims to do that. By study, you find out that the early Church debated quite a bit about topics such as which scriptures “counted,” and a lot of them were excluded or edited heavily in an effort to reconstruct them from bits and pieces of different manuscripts. By thought, certain ideas like the Trinity are nonsensical, and God wouldn’t expect us to forsake logos as an article of faith, that’s something a demon would come up with.

Lol I think the exact opposite, though, and I would say I’m operating from those three things.

Why are you convinced these ecumenical councils are legitimate and we are all bound by their conclusions?

That’s fair. I apologize for getting hostile. Maybe it is a character flaw, but I get real activated when people try to position as above me over bullshit like sectarian beefs. As for the extent to which the Kingdom is hidden or it is revealed, I’m mixed. I do think that Gnostics have a point about a few key ideas. Most notably:

Secret knowledge is real (importance of which we can debate later)

Satan controls the world and plays a sort of demiurgic role

Direct experience with the divine, not any church, is the source of salvation

Ecumenism is of dubious authoritativeness

But people take these four points I take from Gnosticism and conclude from it that I accept at face value every acid trip Yaldabaoth Sophia cosmology and every diabolical scribbling about Mary Magdalene being Christ’s side piece

Whose name? Jesus Christ of Nazareth?

Here’s your original argument: >It was half a shitpost, but I have a disdain for Gnosticism in general. Truths aren’t revealed in private. They are known or made so. And they are lasting.

Whether or not you’re using the capital T Truth or just regular old truth without the capitalization is ambiguous because you used that word at the beginning of the sentence. You were corrected on this point that truths are never revealed in private. They are, at least according to mainstream scripture. Your attempt at coping was that you meant to use the capital T version, but that was only made after the fact.

Because you used the word “disdain” in this context, you were given a parsimonious interpretation of the facts, a parsimonious interpretation you’re essentially bound by. It’s not my fault your argument is shit.

Should I give you another opportunity to admit you were wrong and only take a little l? Or do you prefer your permanent, big L, and me just muting you, discarding your opinion permanently?

You need to learn humility. You were wrong about something. It’s not a big deal. The pride is a bigger issue than the incorrect understanding of scripture. Will you repent of this pride, or choose an even lower path?