I even had popular content per relay too :) It was pretty cool, and something I think will progress over time.
The spam and abuse issue was always something that was going to make it harder in the future. An individual’s web of trust is different to the whole network - and how best to pick what’s a valid reaction or comment or zap or mention, etc. It’s hard. Likely a more global WoT, but they also have issues.
Most of my dashboards are relay related. The identity one was actually just an experiment… a fun one.
I got busy, but I had trending identities, hashtags, words, kinds, etc per relay. I tried to extract a relays personality from the content. It worked fairly well - but couldn’t be done live and is a fair bit of processing power.
Here are my inbound zap stats of all time (missing some early data, but minimal).
Not in current state meaning todays network size, or meaning we’re doing something wrong or not doing something we should be?
I’m expecting maybe the next six months to be a pain period for devs - around their time and expenses. Hopefully by six months we will have easier payments, subscriptions, toward a 10X user base, more innovation and reasons to join Nostr - not just social.
We haven’t even tested the market yet with subscriptions.. only very early days and initial learning period.
Damn dupe post bug 🫤
Do you not think that 1,000 subscribers at $5/month is very possible for a client app - as an example?
That certainly should cover server costs, and be at least a supplementary income.
If you 10X that to 10,000 subscribers, that’s 50,000/month. I can’t see how at least some Nostr services can’t achieve that.
Keep in mind the $5 is just an average price/user. Maybe premium $15/month users make up 50% of revenue. Business may pay even more.
For sure, if you have many full time staff, pay for OS contributions yourself (instead of community fund), and don’t grow as your subscriptions and Nostr community grows, you’ll have a hard time.
As a side note, if Nostr has let’s say 10 great client apps for social. If each app has an even share, that’s only 100,000 total paying customers for the $50,000/month per client app revenue. If Nostr can’t attract let’s say 10% paying customers with 1 million total users - it will stay niche and likely die off slowly or centralise anyway.
Unless I’m tired and my numbers are bogus.. seems achievable within next two 10X growth cycles to 100X from today. I’ve already been through four Nostr 10X growth cycles.
Do you not think that 1,000 subscribers at $5/month is very possible for a client app - as an example?
That certainly should cover server costs, and be at least a supplementary income.
If you 10X that to 10,000 subscribers, that’s 50,000/month. I can’t see how at least some Nostr services can’t achieve that.
Keep in mind the $5 is just an average price/user. Maybe premium $15/month users make up 50% of revenue. Business may pay even more.
For sure, if you have many full time staff, pay for OS contributions yourself (instead of community fund), and don’t grow as your subscriptions and Nostr community grows, you’ll have a hard time.
As a side note, if Nostr has let’s say 10 great client apps for social. If each app has an even share, that’s only 100,000 total paying customers for the $50,000/month per client app revenue. If Nostr can’t attract let’s say 10% paying customers with 1 million total users - it will stay niche and likely die off slowly or centralise anyway.
Unless I’m tired and my numbers are bogus.. seems achievable within next two 10X growth cycles to 100X from today. I’ve already been through four Nostr 10X growth cycles.
Do you not think that 1,000 subscribers at $5/month is very possible for a client app - as an example?
That certainly should cover server costs, and be at least a supplementary income.
If you 10X that to 10,000 subscribers, that’s 50,000/month. I can’t see how at least some Nostr services can’t achieve that.
Keep in mind the $5 is just an average price/user. Maybe premium $15/month users make up 50% of revenue. Business may pay even more.
For sure, if you have many full time staff, pay for OS contributions yourself (instead of community fund), and don’t grow as your subscriptions and Nostr community grows, you’ll have a hard time.
As a side note, if Nostr has let’s say 10 great client apps for social. If each app has an even share, that’s only 100,000 total paying customers for the $50,000/month per client app revenue. If Nostr can’t attract let’s say 10% paying customers with 1 million total users - it will stay niche and likely die off slowly or centralise anyway.
Unless I’m tired and my numbers are bogus.. seems achievable within next two 10X growth cycles to 100X from today. I’ve already been through four Nostr 10X growth cycles.
Do you not think that 1,000 subscribers at $5/month is very possible for a client app - as an example?
That certainly should cover server costs, and be at least a supplementary income.
If you 10X that to 10,000 subscribers, that’s 50,000/month. I can’t see how at least some Nostr services can’t achieve that.
Keep in mind the $5 is just an average price/user. Maybe premium $15/month users make up 50% of revenue. Business may pay even more.
For sure, if you have many full time staff, pay for OS contributions yourself (instead of community fund), and don’t grow as your subscriptions and Nostr community grows, you’ll have a hard time.
As a side note, if Nostr has let’s say 10 great client apps for social. If each app has an even share, that’s only 100,000 total paying customers for the $50,000/month per client app revenue. If Nostr can’t attract let’s say 10% paying customers with 1 million total users - it will stay niche and likely die off slowly or centralise anyway.
Unless I’m tired and my numbers are bogus.. seems achievable within next two 10X growth cycles to 100X from today. I’ve already been through four Nostr 10X growth cycles.
I know I said no dev today.. sorry past and future self… but only really doing research today.
I have personal zap dashboards working (not released yet) which are really nice. Sent Zaps don’t work well as, for example, WOS doesn’t send the right data by memory to validate them. And I’ve sent way more sats then 10k for example. Inbound may also miss data as I hard-validate zaps and don’t process any that fail for any reason.
Still, I’ve found this to use useful and a place to start and improve from.
My notes are dogs breakfast, however I have a few people now interested in collaborating on a NIP for better client app subscription visibility and management (with a prepaid credit option too).
I think this NIP (or similar) and client app adoption can really take payments to the next level. Pay for relays, pay for client apps, pay for hosting services, pay for translation, etc. Add in budgeting, upcoming and usage data - and you have a solid interface. #[5] is already doing something similar for Snort by storing subscription data encrypted in events.
We need a Nostr dev economy, or in a year, many of the best minds/relays/services will have to spend less time and personal funds.
https://gist.github.com/blakejakopovic/a0deee4c945c122a59ed2dcf442d2e2a
Talking points, in my view, are just things government officials do to seem like they are doing something, and staying relevant.
In reality, they don’t understand complex or domain specific topics, don’t give meaningful insights, and don’t actually achieve much more than some self promotional media attention.
Then next election or promotion time, their name has better public familiarity and they seem like they mattered - they didn’t, haven’t and won’t.
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Someone make a “The Curator” badge!
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If all goes well and I finish some pending tasks, I may open it up to a wider audience as well.
I was deep into BackTrack before it became Kali Linux. “The quieter you become, the more you are able to hear”