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Avi Burra
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Chronicler of the Sovereign Age | Anarcho Surrealist
Replying to Avatar Derek Ross

**NIP-69 is being proposed to use the Stacks blockchain and BNS .btc name system for Nostr Names**

The proposal states to use the Stacks "Bitcoin Name System", which has nothing to do with Bitcoin, but uses that name for name recognition only, as a new *"Nostr Names"* implementation. This is being proposed as an improvement to NIP-05 IDs. As a NIP-05 ID service provider, I will agree that the NIP-05 is not perfect, but NIP-69 is **not the solution**.

The Nostr Names NIP-69 proposal states that NIP-05 is flawed because:

* DNS names are controlled by the state and 3rd parties

* they're expensive, need to own a server, ssl, etc

* you need to be skilled to do it

The first key point is true, DNS names are controlled by third parties. That's something we can't fix yet.

The second point about being expensive is completely false. Domain names are fairly cheap and you don't need to pay for SSL certificates, nor do you need to own a server.

*For example: derekross.me costs me $12 a year. The server is a Rapsberry Pi 4. The SSL certificate is free from Let's Encrypt.*

The third point is partially false. The skill required isn't incredible, but it probably is too much for the average person to handle. This leads us to third party services such as NostrPlebs.com providing ID services for customers. This can lead to some centralization and trust, but we will reach a point where certain providers are better than others. Some providers will allow anyone to register, some will charge for this service, some will provide additional perks and support to their members. As time progresses, clear leaders in this new industry will merge and providers will be known and judged by their reputations, services, and support.

"Nostr Names" states the following are benefits to using NIP-69:

* use the centralized service btc.us to register a name

* learn how to use Stacks Clarity language and programmatically register your name

* use the Stacks blockchain, run a Stacks node

So, it sounds like you need to use a centralized service and you need to be skilled to register a NIP-69 Nostr Name, doesn't it? I thought these were issues that NIP-69 was trying to solve for NIP-05?

It costs about $10 for 5 years, so a BNS name is cheaper. That's a plus.

**But you still need to use Stacks.**

I like the effort here as NIP-05 is not perfect, but I'm sorry, I'm going to say no to this one.

[Source](https://www.newinternetlabs.com/blog/nostr-names/)

Found the guy. It’s a long thread, but he eventually gets to NIP 69 https://twitter.com/larrysalibra/status/1615260056228098049?s=46&t=a8DQ5S4VE_ToxyAx9ikY1g

It has to be killed. It’s too soon for shitcoins to come to Nostr. I was hoping we’d have at least a few months of clean fun before they arrived

Replying to Avatar Derek Ross

**NIP-69 is being proposed to use the Stacks blockchain and BNS .btc name system for Nostr Names**

The proposal states to use the Stacks "Bitcoin Name System", which has nothing to do with Bitcoin, but uses that name for name recognition only, as a new *"Nostr Names"* implementation. This is being proposed as an improvement to NIP-05 IDs. As a NIP-05 ID service provider, I will agree that the NIP-05 is not perfect, but NIP-69 is **not the solution**.

The Nostr Names NIP-69 proposal states that NIP-05 is flawed because:

* DNS names are controlled by the state and 3rd parties

* they're expensive, need to own a server, ssl, etc

* you need to be skilled to do it

The first key point is true, DNS names are controlled by third parties. That's something we can't fix yet.

The second point about being expensive is completely false. Domain names are fairly cheap and you don't need to pay for SSL certificates, nor do you need to own a server.

*For example: derekross.me costs me $12 a year. The server is a Rapsberry Pi 4. The SSL certificate is free from Let's Encrypt.*

The third point is partially false. The skill required isn't incredible, but it probably is too much for the average person to handle. This leads us to third party services such as NostrPlebs.com providing ID services for customers. This can lead to some centralization and trust, but we will reach a point where certain providers are better than others. Some providers will allow anyone to register, some will charge for this service, some will provide additional perks and support to their members. As time progresses, clear leaders in this new industry will merge and providers will be known and judged by their reputations, services, and support.

"Nostr Names" states the following are benefits to using NIP-69:

* use the centralized service btc.us to register a name

* learn how to use Stacks Clarity language and programmatically register your name

* use the Stacks blockchain, run a Stacks node

So, it sounds like you need to use a centralized service and you need to be skilled to register a NIP-69 Nostr Name, doesn't it? I thought these were issues that NIP-69 was trying to solve for NIP-05?

It costs about $10 for 5 years, so a BNS name is cheaper. That's a plus.

**But you still need to use Stacks.**

I like the effort here as NIP-05 is not perfect, but I'm sorry, I'm going to say no to this one.

[Source](https://www.newinternetlabs.com/blog/nostr-names/)

Also, the only way you can get a .btc name is to buy it with STX 👎

You’ll find out soon enough 😂

Oh jack? Just a dude who hugs people, that’s all

Hello and welcome. In b4 #[2]

Believe it or not, it’s improved since last week

I knew what nostr was lacking until now. Food pics. Maybe: Daniel pioneering yet again 🙌

I’m in. We can get #[5] to organize

_ _ time for some real thotboi takes…brb

The minute you change the storage and compute requirements for a node at the base layer, this is an inevitable outcome. Ossification is a good thing

Yeah, jb55 was paying through his nose for the compute costs, so don’t really blame him

Yeah #[4] posted the image 2008.jpeg on Nostr.build and people started bidding on it as if it were an NFT. It was all a joke, obviously, but went on for over two days, until it was finally “sold” for 2008 sats