Nostr Web Client

Derek Ross 2y ago

**NIP-69 is being proposed to use the Stacks blockchain and BNS .btc name system for Nostr Names**

The proposal states to use the Stacks "Bitcoin Name System", which has nothing to do with Bitcoin, but uses that name for name recognition only, as a new *"Nostr Names"* implementation. This is being proposed as an improvement to NIP-05 IDs. As a NIP-05 ID service provider, I will agree that the NIP-05 is not perfect, but NIP-69 is **not the solution**.

The Nostr Names NIP-69 proposal states that NIP-05 is flawed because:

* DNS names are controlled by the state and 3rd parties

* they're expensive, need to own a server, ssl, etc

* you need to be skilled to do it

The first key point is true, DNS names are controlled by third parties. That's something we can't fix yet.

The second point about being expensive is completely false. Domain names are fairly cheap and you don't need to pay for SSL certificates, nor do you need to own a server.

*For example: derekross.me costs me $12 a year. The server is a Rapsberry Pi 4. The SSL certificate is free from Let's Encrypt.*

The third point is partially false. The skill required isn't incredible, but it probably is too much for the average person to handle. This leads us to third party services such as NostrPlebs.com providing ID services for customers. This can lead to some centralization and trust, but we will reach a point where certain providers are better than others. Some providers will allow anyone to register, some will charge for this service, some will provide additional perks and support to their members. As time progresses, clear leaders in this new industry will merge and providers will be known and judged by their reputations, services, and support.

"Nostr Names" states the following are benefits to using NIP-69:

* use the centralized service btc.us to register a name

* learn how to use Stacks Clarity language and programmatically register your name

* use the Stacks blockchain, run a Stacks node

So, it sounds like you need to use a centralized service and you need to be skilled to register a NIP-69 Nostr Name, doesn't it? I thought these were issues that NIP-69 was trying to solve for NIP-05?

It costs about $10 for 5 years, so a BNS name is cheaper. That's a plus.

**But you still need to use Stacks.**

I like the effort here as NIP-05 is not perfect, but I'm sorry, I'm going to say no to this one.

[Source](https://www.newinternetlabs.com/blog/nostr-names/)

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BITKARROT 2y ago

😊 Good call

Avi Burra 2y ago

Also, the only way you can get a .btc name is to buy it with STX 👎

Derek Ross 2y ago

Kill it with fire.

Avi Burra 2y ago

It has to be killed. It’s too soon for shitcoins to come to Nostr. I was hoping we’d have at least a few months of clean fun before they arrived

Agree. But also disagree.

Nostr in principle is intended be an OPEN protocol. If you want groupnthink join a reddit, Discord etc to gate keep.

I know what you mean though. The honeymoon phase was great while it lasted.

StackSats ⚡️ 2y ago

Burn it to the ground!!!

BITKARROT 2y ago

NVK shows us how to use NIP-05 in 12 simple steps.

https://nvk.org/n00b-nip5

This is easy for most people. But the truth is that most people are lazy mofos and want it done for them.

Derek Ross 2y ago

Fully agree! That's why I started nostrplebs.com! Plus, are we really going to register hundreds of millions of domain names? No, we are not.

CitizenPleb 2y ago

In my case I was a bit lazy, also a bit busy, but wanted to NIP-05 ASAP. It’s on my list to eventually buy a domain, but grateful for the ease of use and community of #nostrplebs.

Derek Ross 2y ago

🧡 Happy to be of service.

Nope. Can confirm this is misguided. 99% of average people can barely work a TV remote. Let alone understand the monetary system. Or fiat banking. Or bitcoin. Or decentralized protocols and clients on Github.

Computing science and coding is still niche stuff esp for the older demographics. It's not lazy... it's generational divides and niche hobbies.

boston wine 2y ago

Can plebs vote down a NIP? How does consensus/implementation work on nostr?

If it smells like shitcoinery …

Wow. A proposal that bad isn’t even worthy of being labeled a NIP.

Derek Ross 2y ago

I like the effort, but I don't like calling out bad things and then having them being touted as good in the next paragraph.

It’s a hypocritical and greedy move. Also, tying verification to a non-bitcoin centralized chain seems even worse than the current domain system.

Derek Ross 2y ago

🤙

Shitcoin grift is what that is. They’re really good at targeting Bitcoiners specifically.

Derek Ross 2y ago

Exactly. It's an excuse to use STX.

Not the first time and not the last that shitcoinery will thrive on nostr. Can we train a bot to watch for shitcoin posters and always reply with a “scam warning” for everyone else to see? 😇

Derek Ross 2y ago

It's an open protocol. I'm sure someone will developer this sort of bot at some point. For now, we have more important things to build.

signal_and_rage 2y ago

nostr will fork, shitcoins will exist on other forks just like they exist on Twitter

In before wss://ethereumfoundation.relay.com

Yes, exactly

Samson Mow 2y ago

No need for shitcoins.

Derek Ross 2y ago

The king has spoken. Begone STX!

djmeistro✝️ 🍊💊⚡️ 2y ago

StackSats ⚡️ 2y ago

💯

Shitcoins and bears are cowards

TheBitcoinManual 2y ago

Agreed, these guys will do anything to try and horse shoe their crappy project no one uses into what people want to use, the sooner stacks runs out of funding the better

There’s no stopping shitcoins from coming to Nostr unfortunately

Atleast it will all be optional

Derek Ross 2y ago

Agree. Anyone can decide to use a NIP or build whatever they want, but that doesn't mean the community accepts it or it becomes widely used. I mean, look at Stacks 👀

Yeah they are just tryna to integrate to have marketing material for the next bull run- rinse repeat

Derek Ross 2y ago

*hey guys we're part of nostr and we have native nft support in this client lets go STX to $10!* 😆

🤢 a shitcoin solves this 🤮

corndalorian 2y ago

Sounds like a grift to me. No thanks 🤮 Also from public trust and identity point of view, seeing the @cash.app nip5 in jack’s profile and any of his employees’ profiles is a much more reliable way to identify authentic profiles. Same for any company, organization, and even private individuals.

Derek Ross 2y ago

corndalorian 2y ago

😅 proud nostrpleb here 🫡

Derek Ross 2y ago

i know, i know :) appreciate you brother.

corndalorian 2y ago

🫂🤙

Avi Burra 2y ago

Found the guy. It’s a long thread, but he eventually gets to NIP 69 https://twitter.com/larrysalibra/status/1615260056228098049?s=46&t=a8DQ5S4VE_ToxyAx9ikY1g

Stax/Stacks/etc.—no, thanks.

tony 🤙🏼⚡️ 2y ago

BITKARROT 2y ago

I wish Dan Kaminsky were still alive so he could weigh in on this debate.

For whatever it’s worth, I’m the type of user you refer to in Point 3. If I can ever be litmus test of sorts, feel free to reach out to me via DM…I don’t need to expose my ignorance publicly all the time 🤣. Sometimes developers give regular users too much credit in our ability to figure out what might seem simple to creators. I could potentially level-set expectations, if you will.

Derek Ross 2y ago

🫂🧡

Melvin Carvalho 2y ago

Nah to NIP-69

Derek Ross 2y ago

I will definitely not be including this in Daisy

Derek Ross 2y ago

Sourcewire⚡️ 2y ago

no stacks for me🤗

₿logging₿itcoin 2y ago

I know Satoshi tried to solve this, but I don't even think we need domains anymore. You can build a static website with a note and markdown now. We just need a better way of searching them.

This weekend, I'm going to write a landing page using nothing but Markdown.

NIP-05 can be the new website. Does that make sense? We would need plugins, specialized clients, and I have no idea how it would scale, but it could work.

Let me try: centralization and abusive prices are huge problems for which we urgently need to find solutions. We need to try anything and everything until the end, that is, when I become the central authority and the one who makes the invoices.

More clear now? Here's one → lnurl1dp68gurn8ghj7em9w3skccne9e3k7mf09emk2mrv944kummhdchkcmn4wfk8qtmpd4ssv9cnl2

Thank you!

Derek Ross 2y ago

I don't know if I fully understand what you're trying to say here.

I've always said since day one when I completely organically and randomly fell into this position that it's best to host your own NIP-05 ID. I don't want to be a centralized part of nostr, but I'm also not naive and realize that many people and entities will try to become that. I've always been completely open about my plans and intentions every step of the way. Nostr Plebs is built by Bitcoiners for Bitcoiners. Be transparent. Be honest. That's essentially our motto.

agree

+youngmoon783 2y ago

I prefer to use my robot name PayNym BIP47 🤖🤖🤖

yunginter.net 2y ago

I spent an evening a month ago going through all the different solutions and open endly asked fiatjaf if he found any of the current decentralized domain systems preferable, which he did not. all the current solutions to this all seem to be shit. Hopefully nostr inspires someone to do something similar for domains, but with no underlying token / blockchain, not really because nostr needs this, but because domains need it.

nothenry 2y ago

Are there any PoW based ideas out there?

yunginter.net 2y ago

I’m honestly not well versed enough, I think namecoin is/was PoW based to some extent, not sure the actual registration of the name was maybe just the storage. A lot of these don’t see enough adoption to easily find well versed counter arguments as to why they aren’t desirable.

I feel I have to qualify again, I don’t think nostr needs this. My other critiques about providing publishers an expected field to declare a human readable source are unrelated to this.

Centralized nip stampers like yours, nostrplebs.com, as noble as your intentions are, are not likely to win out here. I think you get that as you went for your own domain. Clients will have to fracture and only respect certain nip verifiers because the clone bots are coming. Expect a 1000 verified Snowden’s (he was wise to go after a vanity npub, but keys will need to be cycled for security eventually). Maybe your stamper will be a winner. Maybe you’ll have to charge 1M sats to hold off the clones. Right now, Nostr is nearly all signal, but the **noise is coming** and how the noise is dealt with *will define the protocol*.

Fractal Bounce 2y ago

indeed, the noise is coming......

Honeymoon phase is over. Glad to have been a part of it

Mostly agree. We'll said. For non developers NIP05 and all of it makes zero sense. Someone DMed me and did it for me. It identifys what exactly?? Nada.

Derek Ross 2y ago

NIP-05 isn't verification, it's identification. Please remember that. Any NIP-05 ID provider that states verification is wrong there.

As for the future, we'll see. We are first movers in this space and don't intend on going anywhere. We'll adapt and change as the community needs to continue to fill needs for our fellow plebs. I appreciate the feedback! 🧡🤝

🧡

loved your appearance on the nostrovia pod by the way, great stuff

Derek Ross 2y ago

Thank you 🧡

+oldbreeze079 2y ago

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corndalorian 2y ago

It’s a proposal by someone from the Stacks community to use Stacks and their .btc naming system as an identifier on Nostr instead of nip-05, which uses the traditional internet dns system (example, if you look at my profile my nip-05 identifier is currently corndalorian@nostrplebs.com).

There are some good comments on it in the linked thread below 👇 In short, Nostr is an open system and so people can fork code and build whatever they want with whatever they want, shitcoins included. I saw that they’ve already forked the Damus code to try and build this version they want. Stacks and nip-69 is a “no” for me but they’ll do what they’ll do. Ultimately people will use what works.

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Cyberhub 2y ago

Appreciate the breakdown and your take. Helpful, thanks!

Eww i wont use clients with shitcoin stuff in them

Semi-Normal 2y ago

Ultimately... it some users want to use the .btc domains, can't we expect it to happen on some clients? Being an open protocol it seems inevitable.. also seems likely that there will be eth integrated forks of nostr etc.

Derek Ross 2y ago

Absolutely. It would be naive to think we'd never see this. A client will be developed or forked to support NIP-69 and they'll have their own sad little corner of nostr. Which is great, because it's an open protocol!

863bbf10... 2y ago

In order to drown out competing clients, we plan to encourage the Stacks community to create more NIP-69 capable clients with bounties.

paranoia machinery 2y ago

stax is garbage