That would be fine with me! Personally I'd like to have gossip just store my private key in the macOS system keychain which gets unlocked automatically when I log in. But I know this type of OS integration is probably not what Mike is focused on right now.

#[0] just tried unfollowing some people in gossip and then pushing contact list out to relays. The push failed silently because I hadn't unlocked my key yet. It would be nice to get an error message in this case. Would you like me to file a ticket?

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#[0] I just did some follow list pruning in gossip and pushed my new contact list to relays. Is there any way to force Iris to pull it down?

I'm trying out https://coracle.social today. Still need to try Current. The ability to try lots of Nostr clients simultaneously is so freeing. I'm used to the scuttlebutt ecosystem where you can't use the same key across multiple apps. You end up generating a bunch of different keys and then you have to set your bio and manage follows on all separately. I can open a new browser tab and be trying a Nostr webapp safely in under 60 seconds. With Alby I don't even have to trust them with my private key. It's amazing.

I’m super excited to see how this new reputation system plays out on Nostr! I love that the reputation data will be published freely for everyone to use, and that the managing org is being set up as a co-op. #[0]

Are you going to be there in person?

iOS/Mac first, Android eventually.

I’m surprised they are ok with the zaps. Or maybe they just haven’t noticed yet.

So many questions! But I’m here for it haha.

Delete is in NIP-09, edit is in NIP-23, expiring message are in NIP-40. The problems are solved technically, just not implemented in many clients.

I don’t know of any reputation systems that are really good! I haven’t done much research there.

Customers always own their relationship with business owners, because they can stop paying at any time. What I had in mind here are content-creators who get locked into a platform’s walled garden: Twitch, YouTube, Patreon, etc. They can’t leave and take their customers to a different app.

Maybe it is better to have multiple apps! Idk.

Wow I didn’t know they were doing this. That’s crazy but it makes sense.

I don’t think these features weren’t added to make the platforms more addictive originally though. They were added because they encoded valuable social signals that weren’t being surfaced before. They only became a lever in the addiction slot machine after algorithmic timelines.

It’s a fine line but it’s an important one I think. Because in social networks the line between adding value for users and being addictive is verrrry thin. In a way all humans are addicted to relationships.

Oh wow I never thought about this. You can just zap yourself to make a post look really popular.

This is what https://iris.to already does and we are going to do it in Nos as well. It results in seeing fewer reactions/replies to your messages but it does solve a lot of other problems too.

> I think being human is seeing the reactions of your peers directly in their faces as you say something.

100% agree. Most of our digital interactions are a poor model of the real thing. But I think a lot of the issues you are bringing up are mostly issues because they have been used on platforms for global discourse. Our brains weren’t made for global discourse and I think that’s where a lot of the psychological issues with social media come in.

Relationships need trust and conversations need context. Platforms like Twitter have low trust and context. Contrast this with a Signal/Telegram/WhatsApp group of your closest friends or family - high trust and high context. I think the middle is the sweet spot for healthier social media. Likes from people you trust and have context with are meaningful and useful.

This is why we’ll probably have likes in Nos, but we’ll also be restricting your view in most places to people you follow and people they follow (like secure scuttlebutt, and https://iris.to). This creates a medium trust/context space. This view restriction isn’t perfect, but it’s a start, and I hope we see lots of experiments in this area on Nostr.

Does Damus not? I’ve noticed Damus still shows posts from some people I’ve unfollowed.

That’s an interesting take. To me they are cheap but not meaningless. They are the lightest weight signal that something has value. Given that 90% of people don’t write and just read on social media, it’s a good type of interaction to have imo.

Now if you have all the posts in the world in one database and one algorithm that pushes the most liked posts on everyone that’s a different story. If you get addicted to the dopamine hit of people liking your posts that’s also an issue. But the reason we get a dopamine hit is because your peers sending you social signals that your words are valuable is an incredibly important part of being human.

#[2] I’m curious why you don’t like the “like” button? Because it encourages posting what you think people will like?

I would love to see more Nostr apps that respect basic safety features like edit, delete, and expiring messages. Apps focused on groups, with governance models other than admin/moderator. Reputation/trust systems that help us model more accurately how human relationship work IRL. Tools that empower small businesses and creators to more directly own their relationships with their customers. Apps that support multiple identities and social key backup because one person != one keypair.

We’re hoping to be on TestFlight within a month. I’ll share the link from this account when it’s available! The code is here if that’s interesting to you: https://github.com/planetary-social/nos

https://nostr.build/av/nostr.build_d9cbcea6124fb113f1ab5815d8b04f66eb6547a82f34e5b3bcc7a998fafab124.mp4