To concede your point to a significant extent:

It's true that one of the non-State options in a free society was available in the real scenario, as you said, namely not accepting the change of conditions, quitting (or accepting being fired, or not getting the job), and then taking to the public square to try to inflict a reputational punishment to the violators.

It's just that the effect of the State as the default enforcer over the real scenario is so large, that the result of the non-State option would be negligible compared to what it would be in a free society attuned to such mechanisms.

I'm not saying that the state must mandate or not anything. I'm saying it must enforce contracts, which is its function currently, since we do not have a free society in which other non-State forms of enforcement would be available to those victimized.

That wasn't my point. In fact, I agree with what you're saying.

But what happened with the covid vaccination was, firstly, that the State mandated it, either explicitly, or indirectly by discriminating against those who did not take it, including companies. The degree to which each of those happened depended on the jurisdiction.

Second, and more to the point that we're discussing, forget about the written contract then. There was no "and you will take experimental vaccines if I tell you so" condition of employment. So there had been no agreement, and unilaterally breaking an agreement is punishable, State or no State. In a free society, there would still be enforcement. In a variety of ways that can range from physical to merely reputational.

In any case, you cannot make an abstraction and move to the ideal libertarian scenario what happened to millions upon millions of real people in the actual conditions of 2020-2022. In those, the State is there to enforce contracts, and my position is that vaccine mandates are a flagrant breach that should be legally prosecutable.

is it ok to psyop people? seriously asking

I could agree with you, as long as we can also agree then that an employer has legitimate right to demand from their employees things like sexual services, or that they eat a specific diet, or that they vote a specific political candidate, or that they amputate a part of their body, or that they give them the keys to their homes, or to their bitcoin wallet.

If we can establish that such a contract is legitimate, then yes, demanding vaccination is also legitimate.

The catch here though is that I'm conditioning all these to being known and discussed in advance, clearly stated on the employment contract, and thus "freely accepted" for real.

Which is NOT what happened during covid to most people who were the victims of a unilateral, non-negotiable alteration of their employment contract.

Yeah, I mean I don’t disagree in principle. Just pointing out the current reality of it

I'm done with LP. They've lost the plot. They care more about equity than liberty.

This is right. But that's not what happened. What happened was a government mandate. Not a corporate one. What your post describes never happened.

Problematic when every company in an industry starts doing it (healthcare) because they are pressured by government.

Trump’s pitch to Libertarian voters is that if he's re-elected, he’ll push for Ross Ulbricht’s life sentence to be commuted.

**"However, during his 2024 re-election campaign announcement two years ago, Trump called on Congress to pass a law mandating the death penalty for drug dealers."**

Whistleblower Chelsea Manning was initially sentenced to 35 years in prison in 2013 for leaking classified documents. But in one of his last moves in office, former President Barack Obama commuted her sentence.

She was released on May 17, 2017, after serving about 7 years of her original sentence in isolation and excessively harsh conditions.

**In response to Manning’s first column for The Guardian since her commutation, Trump tweeted that Manning was an “ungrateful traitor” and should “never have been released.”**

Trump will say anything to get re-elected. He is an authortarian xenophobe, a twice impeached former President who has faced multiple legal proceedings.

Even now, as someone eloquently put it:

**"He is not being prosecuted in the middle of his campaign.

He is campaigning in the middle of his prosecutions."**

It’s a psyop.

I don't trust politicians in general, but I especially don't trust Trump. He is a pathological liar, a danger to democracy, who has given the American people far too many reasons not to.

We need another candidate to choose from. The window is closing, but there's still time.

If it comes down to picking my poison, it sure as hell won't be Trump.

#cybersecgirl

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