where i am hung up is that you are making no sense. profits are good. having more than you need is good. producing more than your costs is good. having a need does not mean that someone else is obligated to fulfill it.
the only people you are convincing that profits are bad are people with no profits that feel entitled to the profits of others.
ok you just said profit is whats left after costs. how is that not more?
around and around we go. i know im just talking to some communist professor in your past at this point.
eliminate profits
redistribute others people shit.
no thanks. i want to have something left after my costs.
profit is revenue-costs
all i am getting from that is “ i can… profit… without it costing anyone or the environment more than what it took to achieve said goal.”
I agree. kind of, except for that what it takes to achieve the goal is the cost.
Profits are not seperate from costs. They are the postive difference. hence revenues/benefits minus cost = profit = more
If we want to redefine profit we need to include the costs to the others and the environment when calculating it. If you are making that argument then I agree.
That absolutely is not the same as eliminating profits.
You can’t eleminate profits and have more. Having more than than you started with is what a profit is.
Its not subjective horseshit, it is an objective fact. Look around. People now have way more than we used to and we work more or less the same amount of time. If people wanted to work 5 minutes a day instead of 8 hours because we are now 96 times more productive and have the same lifestyle as some historic person then they would be doing that.
Being grateful when being sustainable is good. But driving up to a whale in a motor boat, spearing it with a spear, and then shooting it with a 50 cal, or netting a whole river of salmon is either wrong or not. Being grateful and performing a ritual afterwords does not undo that.
I didn’t say anything about being better now. I am saying that being less technologically advanced means they were more limited in thier ability to do harm. They did “exploit”. Just not as effectively. That is what technology enables. They didn’t have the technology to do the wrongs that we have today.
Native Americans are just as susceptible to moral failure as anyone else.
We aren’t better. We are the same.
Our moral progress has not kept up with our technological or economic progress. That is a moral failng, not a technological or economic one.
No, you are just saying “here is an example of x in y”. That is not causal. There are plenty of examples of “x in z”.
The reason innovation doesn’t reduce labor hours is because people prefer to work the same amount or more to get more when technology improves. We don’t innovate to cut back labor. We innovate to make our lives better. The amount we work is only one factor.
I asked for examples of societies where humans AND animals are treated well and you totally ignored the human part and listed societies without enough technology to meaningfully abuse animals instead.
Have you ever seen how native americans fish now that they have modern technology? They string nets across the river and shoot whales with 50 cals. Just because they say thank you to mother nature afterwards doesn’t make it better.
Abuse of animals and humans happens because there is shitty people, not because of the economic system.
You are making my point for me when bringing up vegans and your family. You realize vegans and your family exist in a capitalistic society right? Did capitalism cause good people to be good or do only examples of bad count?
Capitalism is an economic system, not a moral one. You keep insisting that because immorality occurs in capitalism, capitalism is the cause.
I can look at any society (the ones you listed as your examples of where animals are treated well) and there will be immorality, regardless of the economic system in place.
best recommendation i have is to try to find someone you already know you like or someone new that you like and poach their followed list, especially someone that follows a lot pf people.
you want to follow lots of people and then seperate the wheat from the chaff once you populate your feed.
bitbees only cares about the price of one thing and it’s disgusting.
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are we sure?
this kind of “this name means x” stuff always makes me think of the fact there are people going around with some random chinese work tattooed on them that tells everyone it means “serenity” when in actuallity it means “horse face”:
10keyless ftw!
i look down on people with a 10key board like “are you trying to be a cashier bro?”
im still trying to figure out why tariffs matter at all when americans dont export shit. what american goods are being bought in enough volume in europe that it would even matter?
From some riffing with OpenAI’s o3, it sounds like this isn’t quite true: https://chatgpt.com/share/68315475-5500-8009-8184-abc1cf6e5be7
thanks for that. original claim definitely seemed off to me
it is honestly insane that any localoty would have inventory tax though. imagine running a business there.
“why are you stock piling a bunch of turds alongside all of this wonderful lumber?”
“oh that? because the turds have negative value so i keep them around to offset positive value of the lumber so that my inventory taxes are lower this year”
really? where can i read about that?
cuz what you are describing is thte taxing of unrealized gains.
It’s not helping at all. You need to draw a causal connection, not cherry picked examples.
Do you have a preferable economic system?
Where is this society without the mistreatment of people and animals that you are alluding too? Is it in the room with us now?
You aren’t getting it.
Again, is treating people horribly better “under” any other economic system better than treating people horribly under capitalism?
April is an evil month because so many evil things have occurred in April!