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James Pierog
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Co-Founder & CEO of Bitcoin Prediction Market

The Bitcoin community has some of the most passionate haters in the world.

The purity test and virtue signalling has stifled much creativity in the space.

Don’t build products for Bitcoiners, build products for people who want to use Bitcoin.

Benefits of a Bitcoin-based prediction market:

1. Censorship resistance: unstoppable bets and rewards

2. Privacy: no need for an account, just a lightning wallet

3. Hard money: bets are denominated in sats, not fiat

Adding nostr in the mix can enable opt-in identity and crowdsourced events.

What would you suggest? We're open to ideas. We were thinking:

- elections

- sports/esports

- central bank interest rates

- bitcoin price

- geopolitical events (war/conflict)

You can bet with sats on the US election and other events on bitcoinprediction.market

I now see how ecash could actually be a great solution to enable private and anonymous prediction markets with Bitcoin + Lightning.

Replying to Avatar hodlbod

People criticizing nostr apps for their quality are making multiple category errors:

- Individuals (or very small teams) can't produce the same level of quality as large teams, but teams can't exercise as much creativity as individuals

- Optimal UX comes from a need for growth, stemming from a need for profit. Grantees and hobbyists do not have this motive. But for-profit businesses won't be principled about putting the protocol first, while grantees and hobbyists may be.

- Good UX partly comes from experience, and existing best practices. Very little of this is established yet for nostr, both from a design and engineering perspective. We're making it up as we go along.

If you want something new, you have to take the bad with the good. When I started this, my expectation was that it would be a ten year project with a 0% chance of success. Two years in, I'd say we're doing extremely well.

I don't care about growth, and won't for a while. I'm not in it for user numbers or zaps, I want to use software to give my kids a better life. Drop the high time preference, and dig in, because this is going to be a long ride.

With all that said, I do feel a new wave coming in the next year or so, as best practices crystallize, and as existing projects reach a point of maturity where their developers recognize their own limits and need for help. I look forward to seeing teams coalesce to push forward what the creatives started.

This might take the form of more for-profit businesses, but I hope that devs (including myself) will be able to swallow their ego and pitch in on projects that don't belong to them without having to get "hired". The difficulty of this on nostr is of course that the scope of the protocol leaves so many tantalizing possibilities to work on.

For myself, I remain focused on my original mission of serving real-life communities. However, the longer I work on the problem, the larger it becomes. It turns out that there has in fact been decades of work in the space, and there continue to exist many unsolved problems, even without introducing decentralization. It would be hubristic to think that my first attempt at the problem would be either correct or successful. Iteration, exploration, and education are all necessary.

It's very likely that it's impossible for a single developer to cover even a single use case of nostr satisfactorily. We'll all eventually need help. This is just the nature of the project we've set for ourselves.

Nostr needs a capital incentive baked into a product that can deliver a 10x order of magnitude improvement that current technology cannot provide. Clones of existing apps don’t deliver a substantial UX improvement for the vast majority of users. The nostr product that will go viral with normies is a product that is fresh.

In my opinion decentralized prediction markets over nostr create that capital incentive that is an order of magnitude improvement on centralized prediction markets. The improvement is obvious: anyone can ask a question and provide liquidity to bet (with Bitcoin, not a shitcoin). In centralized implementations only the prediction market operator can ask questions and provide liquidity according to LMSR. Decentralizing that opens the flood gates to anyone asking any question they want and enabling people to trade on those outcomes.

The difficulty with prediction markets over nostr is implementing trust minimized contracts/share issuance and redemption in event outcomes. It’s a hard technical problem, which is why we don’t currently have an implementation, but it’s possible to do.

see past the veil only to witness another illusion

When I hold my keys to my coins

me on nostr talking about nostr

The bottom of one rabbit hole is the entrance to another

I’m trying to see some spicy hot takes on this censorship resistant protocol

Call me crazy but I haven’t yet seen a single post on nostr that would get censored on twitter

Definitely not cashu. Custodial is a honeypot that’s begging to be shut down. Ecash is completely centralized, antithetical to the objective of decentralized prediction markets.

DLCs need a transfer mechanism, but it’s definitely possible, just technically complex. Just lock the share cost amount of sats in DLCs with an AMM counterparty, and can trade the conditional payment with that transfer mechanism.

L2s would be a cheat code by reducing trust assumptions, could suffer from same centralization risks as ecash. I’d rather use Liquid than cashu because at least theres native limit order books and the ability to create tokenized shares.

Why not respected? Are they using the free and permissionless internet protocol differently than how others want them to use it?