You’re saying I have a small mind?

I really don’t think we’re going to get anywhere here.

Agree to disagree.

I expected more from you. Resorting to personal attacks is completely useless.

Are you attempting to punish me by withholding your vision from me?

If you had an actual vision that you were excited about and could describe competently, wouldn’t you want to share it with the “cunty” people who actually have no idea what you’re taking about?

This is my second time asking you to describe your vision. I already addressed your first response too.

This truly doesn’t address anything that I’ve said

Please describe to us your amazing big vision?

Ok. That is ONE issue. What doesn’t make sense TO YOU?

I’ve shared a bunch of other concerns/arguments against zap culture.

How long have you all been zapping? Can you point to any concrete examples that back up your own arguments?

I already wrote a lot about this. I think it’s at the beginning of this thread.

So many reasons.

A worrisome one is that if the default is for the content/people with the most zaps get the most visibility/credibility/worth it becomes incredibly easy for financial elites to take complete control of which ideas are collectively deemed worthy and true. It becomes easy for them to control the culture, the narrative and push whatever agenda they want.

I understand what zaps are.

I have no issue with people being paid for content.

I have an issue with zaps being used as a metric to judge the quality of the content or the quality of people.

Hi. I’m back. I’m going to take a stab at responding:

(1) We’re social creatures and we’re sheep. We’ll always gravitate to a huddled mass of Kardasians and Hiltons blowing their way into likes and vast wealth.

I don’t know what you mean by this or what it has to do with zap culture. Could you clarify?

As an aside I’ll respond conceptually: It’s true that a lot of people (probably the majority) gravitate towards the Kardashians. Are you saying this mass behavior enables their fame? If so, isn’t that bad? It is also true that an important minority of people are repelled by whatever cultural phenomenon they represent. The dissidents, punks, independent thinkers, etc. I consider these people to be crucial and I generally identify with them. I would much rather support them.

Again, not sure how this is relevant to our original discussion of zap culture but I’ll offer it anyway.

(2) Zaps can also be used for those with brains to support others with brains.

This I don’t see. The statement itself is vague and a generalization so I actually don’t really understand what you mean. But I’ll respond to what I think you mean. There are countless ways for people with brains to support each other. I would say that the biggest reward for a person with a brain is to be engaged with, to be challenged, to collaborate in building something or in advancing ideas together or in solving problems together. I don’t see how a zap achieves any of these things. If people were throwing money at Socrates when he was giving speeches and exposing his ideas, I doubt anything intellectually/philosophically fruitful would have come of it. Einstein refined and ultimately proved his theory of relativity by corresponding with a contemporary. This is far removed from zap culture. My read on social media is that it has generally made society stupider. Shorter attention spans, obsessed with external validation, wasting their attention on extremely superficial things, fueling consumerism, losing discernment skills. Zapping seems like an extension and an amplifier of this and more.

(3) Nostr Substack,Nostr news, Nostr Nobel Prize.

Again. How are any of these made fundamentally better by making zaps part of the equation?

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

You.

Thanks for sharing. Will respond later. Getting off my phone now.

Seems like the devs who are building right now are all bitcoin maximalists. Nothing implicitly wrong with that. It has definitely created a very specific culture on here though. This is my first time being “surrounded” by so many bitcoin maximalists. I guess they’ve been building a culture for over a decade at this point.

What is your vision for it?

True. No great tools for building community yet.

Thanks I just followed

That’s unfortunate. I’m glad I’ve found some fellow non zappers to talk to.

True. I would seriously be shocked if what I said got me blocked.

All good. I wasn’t talking about you. You’ve responded.

I’m having a really hard time keeping up with conversations too. I’m using Damus.

No mcshane.

Victor had some great input.

Oh. That would be a very low threshold for blocking.

Who knows. I thought the person I was responding to would respond.

Thanks for the historical context. Very interesting and there’s a lot of truth there.

Are you Christian? (You don’t have to answer)