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Idea for a paid relay that requires monthly recurring sats fee, but that credits 1/2 the sats back to the user for use as zaps in small amounts. πŸ€”

December 15th

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How long before somebody sets up a bot that zaps tips to users who follow, repost, like, and reply? πŸ™„

It’s an interesting approach. It would be a good filter configuration for client apps.

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Replying to Carlos

I think zaps will incentivize the opposite.

If you want to reward people on nostr, you already can with simple LN tips. Nobody has to know, other than you and the recipient. If you want the recipient to know it was from you, you can send a DM, a reply or add a comment in the LN payment.

Simple, private, elegant.

Zaps, since they're public, bring other incentives (vanity, peer pressure, perceived importance of highly-zapped notes or profiles, etc).

Influencers are already pushing it. Some are shaming wallet devs into integrating it. Memes are memed into existence and hype is hyped to the sky.

Soon you will have a sea of people on nostr who see zaps as inherently valuable.

In such a world, whoever can fake zaps is king. Whereas "plebs" have to earn zaps backed by real sats, sent by real people -- such an individual could "print" themselves some, and get all the social clout for free.

Turns out anyone can do that. There are two ways:

1. Since zaps are not "anchored" in LN (the same way LN is anchored in BTC onchain), one can receive zaps without having received any LN payment. Its a matter of publishing the right kind of events to the relay.

2. A different way is you can zap yourself from different (sockpuppet) accounts. You could recycle 1 sat endless times, and increment your "zap counter" as much as you like.

So not only are zap incentives skewed, but they're also an unreliable metric. Anything that can be measured in zaps (appreciation? relevance of a post?) can be gamed, because received zaps can be faked.

In addition, they're distracting people from the simple and effective LN tips, which don't suffer from any of the above.

All of the publicly published descriptive analytics and vanity metrics have this potential downside.

Zaps have the potential to be just as bad as likes in terms how it negatively impacts social media use. It could be much worse though because there is some financial value attached to it.

I agree that the lightning tip is really neat and a clean way of handling it.

My project will implement zaps in our apps, but we’ll make it configurable. Users should be able to turn off the ability to zap their own notes and disable the display of zaps across all notes.

In general, more control of the user experience should be given to the user.