People can and should work together, then they should divide the output according to anegotiations before. Renting a human is as wrong as owning one.

If a child offered to shovel your driveway you should negotiate the price for the whole job. You SHOULD NOT pay him according to how long it takes. That would be renting a human, which would be slavery.

You keep arguing against me like I'm making communist assertions. Its like all the capitalist propaganda you're repeating is calibrated against communism and you can't make pro capitalist arguments unless the opposition is communist. Stop repeating the shit you read by rote.

That's completely retarded. You might as well be saying that people can't work together & can't give things to each other. You want to magically vaporize what a parent earns so that it can't be left to their children?!

If people WANT to work for someone else, what then? If you actually understood what it's like to run a business you would also understand why most people would want to work for others.

Being compensated at an agreed to rate for your time & effort is just trade, it is literally selling your work directly to another person. It's not even sorta slavery.

But when the govt picks and chooses economic winners then the options for employment become limited & that IS a problem.

You keep arguing against me like I'm making communist assertions. Its like all the capitalist propaganda you're repeating is calibrated against communism and you can't make pro capitalist arguments unless the opposition is communist. Stop repeating the shit you read by rote.

I did not say before that inheritance should be redistributed. I say that nobody should have more than they can build with their own two hands, or in partnership with their neighbors. Nobody should hire anyone for a wage because wage labour is just temporary slavery. Every human being should own everything resulting from their labour and sell it if he chooses.

How am I supposed to respond to 3 different topics a paragraph each? We're all over the place. Each position is known. I'm calling it here. To be continued...

In the meantime you should read things outside your ideology and challenge yourself with views adversarial to your own. I've heard capitalist arguments and propaganda ad nauseum over decades. Start with Hegel.

No human system is going to be perfect, ever, because people have free will and can use that will to do good or bad. But saying Capitalism can't last long in the real world is like saying, a crime free society can't last long in the real world. That doesn't mean anything. We should still always push for that goal, push for a society where allocated by choice, and not under alternatives that usually involve deadly force. Instead of human will being treated like a threat, we need to take advantage of it exactly like capitalism does.

Also, lets be careful about what we call Capitalism. For example, what part of free market Capitalism would have the state take the dollar off gold by presidential edict and impose a central bank that effectively prints up money for the elite to go into housing, stock bubbles, and govt spending while the rest of us get saddled with inflation, taxes, and debt? Not to mention all the zoning laws that enhance these housing bubbles, and screw over the homeless, not to mention all the regulations that make health care up 10x more expensive than needed. Yeah, capitalism my ass. The USA is a socialist shit-hole.

Capitalism without adjectives, maybe. In Vitro Capitalism. It cannot last in the real world for long. You come up with some LARP or idealized system on paper but it hasn't yet succeeded out in the real world. The Paretto distribution takes effect and the winners use undue advantages over others and the egalitarian ideal collapses. It always corrupts; power always corrupts.

ALL I am concerned about is how things are funded.

Are your relationships consensual? Taxes are not consensual.

If we were alone in the woods survival would require and infinitely greater amount of work. So having to work isn't anyone else's fault or the result of any sort of force. Jobs & money just give us better options & allow us to work less for greater return.

Laissez-faire Capitalism (free markets) include any sort of organization or trade or coopoeration you want it to include so long as you aren't taking shit that isn't yours or otherwise forcing anything on anyone.

If it's not funded by force & coercion then it's capitalism.

Here you go talking about the government again. I agree with your view on government so save it. You're such a binary thinker you can only imagine a spectrum of two possibilities. The cold war is over, but the ruling class remains.

Lol, yeah basically just a growing web of socialized problems & losses. With a politically connected few collecting the majority of the value they steal which isn't completely destroyed.

Except they never fix anything

You have no idea if my job is cushy so don't make judgments on things that are impossible for you to know. I happen to have just worked eight 16 hour days in a row out in the rain and mud fighting to keep lights on. So fuck off.

... and your ideologically one sided texts that you like to quote chapter and verse (like religious scripture) reliably fail to account for Unpriced Externalities. Google it.

The goal for the capitalist is domination. They say: "You don't like being a wage slave? Then you should start a business. If you're successful you can aquire some wage slaves of your own." Capitalism epouses freedom from government, but freedom from capitalists with dark triad traits has never been part of the deal.

The goal is to climb the tiers with the help of nepotism until your and your descendants are the ruling class. The ruling classes are always basically evil. Inheritance is the one thing that breaks the neat logic of capitalsism. Capitalism without inheritance could actually have a chance of working, but sadly that can never happen because appropriating inheritance would require an unjust use of force.

The goal for the capitalist is domination. They say: "You don't like being a wage slave? Then you should start a business. If you're successful you can aquire some wage slaves of your own." Capitalism epouses freedom from government, but freedom from capitalists with dark triad traits has never been part of the deal.

The goal is to climb the tiers with the help of nepotism until your and your descendants are the ruling class. The ruling classes are always basically evil. Inheritance is the one thing that breaks the neat logic of capitalsism. Capitalism without inheritance could actually have a chance of working, but sadly that can never happen because appropriating inheritance would require an unjust use of force.

Some of the profits from my labor go to global elites who barely know they own a piece of my employer. They're certainly not part of my local community. Wealth is being extracted from my region. I have no choice because my expertise requires that I work for an electric utility, which is a natural monopoly.

I'm forced into having the wealth I create extracted through dividends just like I'm forced to pay taxes. Capitalism and Communism are evil twins (and both are evil).