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Rusty Russell
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Lead Core Lightning, Standards Wrangler, Bitcoin Script Restoration ponderer, coder. Full time employed on Free and Open Source Software since 1998. Joyous hacking with others for over 25 years.

Meanwhile, on TwiXter:

If I'm reading this right, having a whole Bitcoin will sterilize you? Or kill your children?

Maybe I should unretire Shit Bitcoiners Say...

Dijkstra hated BASIC, too.

But you know what? The main obstacle for most people is getting off zero: like, did you know you can just tell the computer to DO THINGS FOR YOU?

Sure, you'll do it badly, for stupid reasons. Maybe they want to make a Minecraft mod or scrape a porn site.

I wanted to make arcade games. I never did: making the computer do more useful things while collaborating with brilliant people turned out to be joyous in a way I hadn't foreseen.

Yeah. Not only have I not seen that happening, it's almost always the case that adjacent projects bring in more outsiders. And they gain the experience and knowledge to cross over later, if they choose.

But more importantly, you can't "take away" devs: they choose. I don't see evidence of duress or deception here

Anyone set up NWC on Core Lightning? I don't really want to have to read all the NIPs and implement YA nostr client!

The term "mining" actually seemed to have actually smoothed funding for Bitcoin mining from traditional mining investors: it's a commodity where you spend on infrastructure up-front with unknown returns which depend on market factors outside your control.

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Been thinking about Dhruv Bansal’s idea that bitcoin are not produced or generated — wrong way of thinking about it induced by “mining” metaphor — but rather all bitcoin existed from the moment the network was launched, but are auctioned off to miners as a whole, in exchange for hashes (compute), on an auction schedule of 140 years or whatever it is.

Each miner decides to take the network’s offer or not, by running their machines or not. Collectively, they determine how much that latest round of auctioned bitcoin is worth, in hashes and/or in energy.

Then there’s another market on top of this one which is coincidental but distinct, and that’s the market for block space, where the sellers are individual miners and the buyers are would-be transactors and of course that’s sat/vbyte.

I really do think it’s more accurate than thinking of bitcoin miners as “producing” bitcoin the way a manufacturer produces a product like cars or even discovered like gold miners discover gold. The bitcoin, all 21 million exist, just not on the ledger, from the get go. They only need to be auctioned, like treasuries. We don’t think the bidders on treasuries produce the 10-year! It’s just a weird auction mechanism where you have to prove work and your odds of winning the auction are proportional to your work / the total work by bidders.

I do get it and I think it’s right and I think it helps with a lot of misconceptions once you grok it fully. And as Dhruv says it shows you the formula for how bitcoin disrupts everything which is by making markets where there weren’t any, and building layers of distinct markets, including lighting and eventually the internet.

So, good job Dhruv.

But… it is not so easy to communicate is it? This thing is bloody hard to explain, as someone said once.

No, the gold mining analogy is a good one: you have to do real work, and the results diminish over time as easier deposits get extracted.

You're over-thinking it because that of course is not quite right, but that's the nature of analogy.

But most importantly, this is an abberation: the final state of Bitcoin matches neither the mined nor the discovered analogy. It's all block space market.

Meanwhile, over here*:

* I did try to change the units from Celsius to match yours, but under Units it only let me choose between km/h and knots 🤣

TIL accidentally that in Firefox on mobile you can long hold on an emoji to get a description of it!

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NICE TRY SPOOK! 😁

Blockstream Store, 280,000 sats.

Anecdata: I had an invoice which failed on my Phoenix wallet which worked with xpay from my local node.

It's always been the other way around!

https://repebble.com/

Finally, someone bringing Pebble back. I ran my Pebble into the ground, and would happily get a new one. Love my Seiko classic, but the vibrating alarm makes my wife's life better for those 5:30am lightning calls.