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772f9545... 3w ago

What first-century texts about Jesus do you have that are not from Jesus' disciples? There are a bunch that were rejected by the church long before Rome or London had anything to do with Christianity.

Back to the worship, consider Matthew 2:11.

"They came into the house and saw the young child with Mary, his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. Opening their treasures, they offered to him gifts: gold, frankincense, and myrrh." (WEB)

Suppose you object that WEB is based on an authorized version. OK.

"and went into the house and found the chylde with Mary hys mother and kneled doune and worshipped hym and opened their treasures and offred vnto hym gyftes gold frackynsence and myrre." (Tydale)

Tyndale's translation was unauthorized.

Consider John 20:28-29.

"Thomas answered him, 'My Lord and my God!' Jesus said to him, 'Because you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and have believed.'" (WEB)

"Thomas answered and sayde vnto him: my Lorde and my God. Jesus sayde vnto him. Thomas because thou hast sene me therfore thou belevest: Happy are they that have not sene and yet beleve." (Tyndale)

The gospels could be summarized like this: Jesus' closest disciples only gradually came to understand Jesus as God whereas the religious leaders quickly understood Jesus' claims to divinity and killed him for it.

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S!ayer 3w ago

Okay fine, but again here is what I mean: we get third party accounts i.e. 'i saw Mary and the young boy' or "we witnessed XYZ"

What I'm saying is seek the direct quotes or words of Joshua (Yeshua) later know as Jesus, verses what others say about him.

There's a construct and then there is the individual, does that make sense?

The difference in versioning can be attributed to how others wanted to use the religion as a form of governance instead of worship.

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772f9545... 3w ago

As far as we know, Y'shua/Joshua/Jesus never wrote a book himself. So everything we know about him is from others.

The question then becomes which sources are trustworthy and which sources are untrustworthy.

It seems every time an older fragment of a book of the New Testament is found, it confirms the existing New Testament that we already have, strengthening it.

The versions of the Bible do vary somewhat, yes. And sometimes this or that version will say something about the translator's view. But the texts are remarkably consistent.

If we apply the attacks against the New Testament of "changed" or "written later" or "of dubious origin" to any other text, we might conclude that we can't know anything about history at all, because all the other texts are more changed, written more later, or of more dubious origin.

For example, look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Of_Plymouth_Plantation

"the most authoritative account of the Pilgrims"

Timeline:

* Events described start in 1608

* Writing started 1630, 22 years after the first events described

* Published 1897(?), 267 years after the first events described

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私はイスラム教徒です 3w ago

⭕ Nicaea Council of 325 A.D

🔴 What Was It All About? - How Did It Change Christianity?

🔵 Read what the Catholic Church Says About Itself

🔴 The year was 325 A.D. according to the Roman calendar. A council was convened by order of Constantine, the Roman emperor. He had been a leader in the cult known as Sol Invictus (Invincible Sun) and now wanted to unite the Christian sects in the empire under his existing church; the Universal Church of Rome. Many changes to the religion of Christianity were about to take place at that council, including:

🔻 Formulation for wording concerning the Trinity based on Anthanias (description of the formulation is mentioned below)

🔻 Changing Verses of Bible

🔻 Eliminating certain verses and books from the Bible

🔻 Declaring Arian's "unitarian" (belief in the Unity of God) as heresy

🔻 Changing the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday

🔻 Changing the date of Jesus' birthday to December 25th

🔻 Introduction of Easter (pagan worship called "Feast of Ishtar")

🔻 Church of Roman "officially" became the "Universal Church of the Holy Roman Empire" (the word 'Catholic' means 'universal'

🔴 The Roman Catholic Church took on a new face.

What follows is a quote from the Roman Catholic Church. It is their explanation behind the many changes occurring during the Nicaea Council.

http://www.bibleislam.com/nicaea_council_325.php

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772f9545... 3w ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea#Misconceptions

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私はイスラム教徒です 1d ago

🔴 I highly recommend learning about Islam...

🔵 There is no salvation in the afterlife except by following Islam

⚠️ God has said in the Quran:

🔵 { O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous - ( 2:21 )

🔴 [He] who made for you the earth a bed [spread out] and the sky a ceiling and sent down from the sky, rain and brought forth thereby fruits as provision for you. So do not attribute to Allah equals while you know [that there is nothing similar to Him]. ( 2:22 )

🔵 And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah, if you should be truthful. ( 2:23 )

🔴 But if you do not - and you will never be able to - then fear the Fire, whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers.( 2:24 )

🔵 And give good tidings to those who believe and do righteous deeds that they will have gardens [in Paradise] beneath which rivers flow. Whenever they are provided with a provision of fruit therefrom, they will say, "This is what we were provided with before." And it is given to them in likeness. And they will have therein purified spouses, and they will abide therein eternally. ( 2:25 )}

⚠️ Quran

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inpc 3w ago

“Tyndale's translation was unauthorized”.

Not surprised considering how terrible his spelling is.