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They are reacting to claims of selling devices that should be somehow secure by "zero Google", which is no longer the case.

This use case is not about extending life span of your device but about somehow selling you a device with claims of increased privacy that are completely wrong

freemymind 🇨🇭 5mo ago

But noone is advertising security. The article is very explicit in helping to avoid Google tracking.

So I actually would say this is a fair transparent offer. That Lineage has security concerns can be a good additional information. But it does not take away any of the value of the original offer.

Therefore I see nostr:nprofile1qyt8wumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kytcqyp2x308wkaxwxh95zu7uext5hhdvn6y55a9l84z0nj5tw42xqhy768qv490 comment as agressive and no real support of #grapheneos nor #privacyand #security .

It is attacking claims that have not been made. Like when I would say to drink a coffee and then you want me not to drink it because of the bad effects of smoking on my health. Complete misdirected critique.

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Juraj 5mo ago

Lineageos connects to Google servers immediately. Which nostr:nprofile1qqs9g69ua6m5ec6ukstnmnyewj7a4j0gjjn5hu75f7w23d64gczunmgpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumt0wd68ytnsw43q4gnztg account also pointed out. It's especially not good against Google tracking.

freemymind 🇨🇭 5mo ago

This is great to point out. For me a person needs to argue fine grained, so I could think they understand of what they are speaking. And this I have never seen from nostr:nprofile1qyt8wumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kytcqyp2x308wkaxwxh95zu7uext5hhdvn6y55a9l84z0nj5tw42xqhy768qv490 account.

I am always open to change this view, when I see finegrained well explained critique, including sources.

These kind of critique just seems like the user is not working scientifically at all. And when he leads to people thinking that nonscientific work would be accepted within the graphene project, then it takes away a lot of credibility of the project.

Juraj 5mo ago

For me, nostr:nprofile1qqs9g69ua6m5ec6ukstnmnyewj7a4j0gjjn5hu75f7w23d64gczunmgpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumt0wd68ytnsw43q4gnztg is one of the few accounts that actually knows what they're talking about. Most privacy projects (or all projects) just give social media to an intern. nostr:nprofile1qqs9g69ua6m5ec6ukstnmnyewj7a4j0gjjn5hu75f7w23d64gczunmgpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumt0wd68ytnsw43q4gnztg is always to the point, understanding what they are writing about, sometimes down to the level of AOSP source code.

They often sound very critical, but the main reason is that the state of Android security and privacy is horrible and many people are just selling snake oil.

SimplifiedPrivacy.com 5mo ago

nostr:npub1m2mvvpjugwdehtaskrcl7ksvdqnnhnjur9v6g9v266nss504q7mqvlr8p9 it is possible to change the telemetry calls on startup. Also it's not as big a deal if google push has access to the hardware identifiers, if one does not use google push at all. Which would be part of any potential "zero google" marketing.

However, graphene is right here, and I'm wrong on the security of that particular device from the long thread below. We're gonna pull the oneplus offer.

That being said, Juraj the fact that the only time you chime in, is when it's on opportunity to attack me, is pretty lame dude. Anybody can repeat that existing popular tech is the best thing on earth. The real test of a tech influencer is if they can try or be part of something new.

You should reconsider suggesting to your audience to build firefox from scratch, which limits them to a single fingerprinted browser, when solutions like HydraVeil have come out. And if you are waiting on the sidelines until other influencers shout it out, then you're not a thought leader

GrapheneOS 5mo ago

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> But noone is advertising security. The article is very explicit in helping to avoid Google tracking.

They're advertising devices with serious known privacy and security issues as being private. They're advertising devices which heavily involve Google as "Zero Google". They're not "Zero Google".