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#proofmewrong

Free markets are inherently for free people. For their freedom to live or work, where they want to.

Free markets use prices to indicate, where ressources are most needed and where they are in abundance. So when salaries are very high in some point, the free market requests for more people to move there. So border control is inherently against free markets.

Therefore political parties, which request free markets and closed borders, already proof to have a logical fallacy within their ideas.

PS: Criminals should be brought to courts, so they get their fair trial. So my note is not in favor of freeing criminals. But it is for #freedom

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Sam 3mo ago

It's a straw man. People don't oppose open migration for reasons of market efficiency. There's more to life than saving money.

freemymind 🇨🇭 3mo ago

So what is a good reason for you, to oppose a world of free people?

Sam 3mo ago

It’s a straw man. Nobody does. People just value consent. Eg ‘why am I not free to intrude and impose myself on you’ isn’t about freedom it’s about consent.

freemymind 🇨🇭 3mo ago

Migrating is not about violence or intrusion. Since when it would be violent or without consent, it was criminal.

But it is obvious, that migration can happen without violence. Most people migrate for some opportunity. Most of the time the violent part is the one not allowing this opportunity. Not the one trying to make use of it.

Sam 3mo ago

Migration creates a social burden that someone has to pay. That is without consent and thus violent. The support of governments to migrants has a cost which must be paid.

Likewise more labour equals lower wages, etc etc. The economic are straight forward.

Migration simply doesn’t happen in a vacuum. Only when you can respect and consider your fellow man will you be able to see the full picture.

freemymind 🇨🇭 3mo ago

You wise man. Where do growing companies get their work force within a country that has a birthrate below 2?

Sam 3mo ago

Another straw man. Birth rate is unrelated.

And I don’t base my opinions off of the ability for companies to profit. Morals trump profiteering. One person getting a job at the cost of others losing it isn’t a trade off I’d back.

freemymind 🇨🇭 3mo ago

Why you assume that someone needs to loose a job, so an other one can get one?

You know what entrepreneurs do? Economy is no 0-sum-game. Economies are ecosystems with lots of symbiosis. Driving value for an economy are human needs. And the need for a job is quiet an existencal one for those who are not wealthy enough to not follow a payed work.