Is it me or the stats on https://nostr.band/ always felt disjointed in some way?

nostr:npub1xdtducdnjerex88gkg2qk2atsdlqsyxqaag4h05jmcpyspqt30wscmntxy how many real users do you see according to the trust rank? The stats page says there are over 30 million, but it's hard to imagine that much of even spam, but for sure if there are so many it's definitely most spam, but then there are 50k active users, and the trust page says you don't return low-quality events on the relay interface, but nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s has over a million followers when you do a COUNT query, so that means we have at least a million high-quality, trusted, users, but only 50k are active?

But then Nostr userbase has actually grown -- not much, but did -- over the past year, and yet his follower count was already over a million an year ago, so that doesn't make sense.

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if only there was someone trying to fix these stats đź‘€

Centrality algorithms is the conversation we should be having.

PageRank being the most famous centrality algo. But it's not the only one. We should be talking about centrality algos and deciding which one(s) to use in nostr.

PageRank was MAGIC when it came out in 1998. It eliminated the vast majority of the spam of internet keyword search overnight. It changed the world.

And it's based on a very simple idea: calculate an "importance" score for each URL. If urlA contains a hyperlink to urlB, then urlB's score gets a boost. And the amount of the boost depends on the importance score of urlA.

So google scrapes the internet, calculates pageRank scores for urls based on hyperlinks, and uses the score to stratify keyword search. Bam. Bye bye to most spammy URLs. Not perfect, but not easy to game.

Nostr needs to do something similar. PageRank for pubkeys instead of for URLs. And instead of hyperlinks, use follows. Or zaps. Or replies. Or all of the above. There is more than one way to build a centrality algorithm.

And one last thing: in principle, we should be using personalized centrality algos, like "personalized PageRank." Because you should always be at the center of your WoT.

If he built in a troll farm to inflate his numbers then absolutely.

What does nostr:npub1dm8ghu7pdvanf97fc07yez3kh63m90r78lyskdcuyghwvf0fx5fq6dl5nv think on this?

Would be really nice to get more trusted insights on these stats to bring in project funding as the network grows…

Didn’t nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s comment on that once? I remember there was some trickery involved.

> "Bluesky is gaining altitude. The Twitter/X-alternative has reportedly topped 20 million users, up over 6 million since Election Day. The ad-free, decentralized platform seems to be primarily attracting left-leaning users who report finding Bluesky a “kinder” place than Elon Musk’s X. It’s still a small fish in a big pond; X reports having over 600 million users."

–from yesterday's *The Pour Over,* for perspective.

https://thepourover.org/crisis-huddle/#:~:text=Bluesky%20is%20gaining,600%20million%20users.

“kinder”… lol

Saner too

At the top of stats page it says "Trusted users: 186135" - that's the total of trusted pubkeys. 30 million is overall pubkeys. Relay doesn't return events from low-quality pubkeys, but the COUNT returns pre-calculated counters which don't ignore spam, that's why Will has a million followers.

"real users" != "trusted pubkey" - I bet huge number of real people joined and never got any trust rank bcs they never posted or never gained any reactions and then quit.

i have about 200 followers and most users on NOSTR that ever contribute any content of value know who i am.

i would estimate the real number of valuable NOSTR users at about 10,000. by valuable i mean users that post more than B1tc0in Sp@m.

this is actually not bad when you consider for example that Harvard has 20,000 students.

quality over quantity.

Thank you for explaining, this makes a lot of sense now.