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Sure thing. For example cross-company social. I'm Company A, I want to have a "shared social space" with Company B. I want this space to be Twitter-like but I want it to feel as neutral as the email relationship I have with Company B. So no "owner". Nostr provides a unique architectural foundation for that.

Many companies work closely with other companies. Retailers and suppliers joined at the hip. Startups and overseas outsource dev teams. The list goes on. You get the idea.

Cross-company social is hard right now—hence it's all mostly still email. Sure you can set up Slack Connect and whatnot, but that's relying on both companies using Slack—and that's also empowering Slack itself—and regardless one company in the mix will always "own" the channel, and that's not fair.

With Nostr, you can set up a cross-company Kind1 social space just like good-old email. Excuse the took-two-minutes fig-jam screenshot here and use your imagination to expand it to multiple companies interacting with multiple other companies in a very nostr-like web. (Or potentially siloed-off departments of the same parent company interacting with each other.)

The Nostr relay system comes into play because every company needs to maintain its own relay(s), and there can be separate relays for different departments (marketing, IT, sales, etc.), all duplicated on either side of the fence. It's almost like Nostr was accidentally made for this.

Key-paris are great because many front-line workers (drivers, security, etc.) don't have SSO pathways. An employee exposed their nsec? Who cares, have the IT person pop a new nsec into that person's Google Workspace profile custom field and the NIP-05 list plus relay filters will update—these are all gated relays, the relay is king, the whole eternally-vexing key management thing is suddenly a non-issue. Non-relay-whitelisted keys become useless.

And the whole "can't delete", "can't edit" thing? Again, it becomes a non issue. When you send an email to Company B can you delete or edit it? No. You can ask them nicely, that's all. Companies just have to educate employees to view cross-company social posts like emails, and that's not hard for employees to understand. This whole thing is just fancy email after all (but still very much needed).

And the whole spam thing? There's no spam. These relays are not open to the wide world.

And the whole "I can't find my community" issue? The community is already there, included in the box, like a phone charger.

PLUS this is all pure Kind1 stuff. Companies chatting with each other across bespoke implementations of Kind1 clients. The dev work on those has mostly been done, the client and relay code is there and open source and MIT and all. What's needed (and what my team is focussed on, perhaps other teams too) is old-fashioned B2B sales and systems-integration support, like Red Hat in the early days, take all the Linux stuff that's out there and support companies to integrate it, help IT teams tweak it, own it, run it (and in doing so eventually become a key contributor to the codebase yourself).

This cross-company market alone is massive. Really massive. Onboard a pair of companies with 1k employees each and that's already an incremental bump in global Nostr usage (albeit one that would be off the nostr.band radar).

And this cross-company Kind1 social is just one example. Many other examples.

Again I get that Nostr wasn't invented for B2B but boy oh boy could the business world ever come to love it.

Thank you, that is a very good description of a real-world use case, and related to what nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s has spoken many times about in the past if I'm not mistaken.

The thing is that it is not actually a plan. You argument against Slack Connect was that "companies have to be using Slack already", but what about this one? Companies have to be using Nostr already.

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Anyway, I like the vision because it matches my vision too, of niche and community relays, interoperability accross apps and I also agree with how you see the role of relays, deletions, spam and data ownership on Nostr, your view is basically the same as mine, and to me these points are all very obvious and easy.

Another counterpoint to your thesis is that everything you're saying about relays could easily be applied to "non-company" communities too, so why not do it now?

> Companies have to be using Nostr already.

It's old fashioned B2B sales. You find a company that works closely with another company and is open to a pitch, you pitch them together, sell them on your Red Hat implementation of Nostr, and you sit with both IT departments, and you implement it. Maybe you start with pairs of companies already using Slack Connect and you sell them on this as a better and more cost effective option. One by one. Stacking bricks.

> Everything you're saying about relays could easily be applied to "non-company" communities too

Sure, but if it's companies then you (as the systems integrator) can build a decent business yourself, become profitable. Your B2B customers will need you to maintain these implementations, build custom tooling around them. And all the infra is also paid for by the company, so all these questions of "who's gonna pay for the relay?" are moot.

Again similar to Red Hat. At the start they offered boxed versions of Red Hat Linux that could be purchased by anyone. That was their business model. They had some sales, mainly to nerds and enthusiasts, but not many. Then they realised B2B was where the real Linux market was. Not that they had anything against the nerd-and-enthusiast market, Linux is great and everyone can use Linux—just that they wanted to grow faster and this was how.

> to me these points are all very obvious and easy.

What I like about this B2B context is that you don't have to go round in circles with people before they finally agree (if they finally agree) that these points are all very obvious and easy. It's all much more black and white.