Post fundraisers are a scam.
If they're public, they can be gamed (fake fundraiser, self-zap, etc),
If they're private, they're always been possible w/o zaps.
Discussion
Why would you self zap your own fundraiser? You would just get less money.
2nd order effects.
v1
- "Charity XYZ collected 1 mil sats in the first 24h"
- Hype, likes, followers
- Next fundraiser has a bigger userbase to fundraise from -- based on lies and deception
v2
- Any good street musician "seeds" his tip jar with some coins, ideally also w banknotes, to make it appear like others already donated quite a bit
- Same with jukebox bars
v3
- "Biggest donation to fundraiser ABC was from Joe Generous"
- free hype, likes, followers for Joe Generous
- Fundraiser ABC and Joe Generous can be good friends, no sats have to be spent
- Win/win for both of them
etc etc
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If its really about collecting sats, not announcing the amounts and donors bypasses all this.
I would think that public ones would be better than private ones...? I don't get the logic here
Yes, publicly announce that someone is collecting donations for something.
But keep donors and amounts private, this removes perverse incentives (hype, clout, followers etc), esp. enabled by wash-zapping.
Someone giving me 500,000 sats anonymously for a fundraiser and someone giving me 500,000 sats to get clout… Is still 500,000 sats… You do realize that right?
If someone wants to give anonymously, they can do that through anonymous or private zaps too.
This isn’t even the point that’s being argued, re: Apple’s limitation of zaps.
At the root, it is about the point being argued (i.e. you can still send sats and even "zaps", even if Apple forbids "note zaps")
Yes I realise those 500k sats are the same, but you assume the "fundraiser" account only wants to fundraise in this one specific fundraise event.
How about this:
- if I'm a fake fundraiser and coordinate with my friend Joe the Generous to wash-zap 5 x 500k sats to my "fundraiser", this will earn 1) free hype and followers for me, 2) free hype and followers for Joe the Generous
- if I make it appear that I raised 50 mil sats in this fundraiser (wash-zaps), this will cause hype. More people will actually donate in my next fundraiser (maybe I wash-zap only 45 mil sats then?), but again huge amounts => huge hype => more actual followrs and actual donors. Eventually I can "string along" as many fundraisers as I want, nobody will know what amount is actually donated vs what was wash-zapped, but more and more people will be duped into donating just by the fake numbers alone.
- many more such cases