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I might be missing something, but all of these seem like solvable problems. They are mostly data transformation problems, AFAICS.

For example, it seems fairly trivial (especially relative to the payoff of doing so) to map a Bluesky feed to a key pair in Nostr to make it easy to consume that way.

Indeed, this could be a monetisation vector for relays able to offer more advanced interoperability features.

It’s not like the problems of integrating with, say, Twitter, Reddit, or Facebook. There are far more obstacles to that than merely transforming data from one shape into another: violating terms of service, lack of APIs, KYCing, etc.
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Globe99 6d ago

Yeah it's interesting to look at this in the context of legacy social media: Facebook and X literally *can't* interoperate, not necessarily on any technical level -- although as these platforms are constantly introducing and taking away new features that becomes fraught -- but because of legal and fiduciary issues.

Meanwhile, I think there are certain common "nouns and verbs" to microblogging social media that at least allow for some "floor" of interoperability -- posts, likes, comments, reacts, boosts, quotes, etc -- these things in their basic form are pretty universal.

Obviously Zaps aren't going anywhere outside of Nostr, but signalling an "intention to Zap" could be a powerful way to attract people to the network.

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tree 木 6d ago

> posts, likes, comments, reacts, boosts, quotes

It sounds simple, but when you think about the details, it's a very complex problem full of problems that you have to solve... for example, when a bridged user quotes a post of a user who is not bridged, and there is dozens or hundreds similar problems.

And whats worst - It usually leads to centralization, that someone has to run those bridges and have the private keys to all those "pseudo" identities. For me, it's just not worth it.

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tree 木 6d ago

Bridgy Fed on AT Protocol is a typical bridge, connecting Activity Pub and Bluesky. Sure, it's probably a bit useful.... but I also see the danger - that there's one enthusiast who runs it and who now has the power to manipulate all those thousands bridged profiles. Or turn it off, in short, it's all dependent on one intermediary. The complexity of bridging clearly points towards centralization.

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Globe99 6d ago

>The complexity of bridging clearly points towards centralization.

As it's always been throughout history... The operators of bridges, the original "trolls taking a toll", have always enjoyed this sort of privileged position.

Society responds by (a) building more bridges to compete, or eventually (b) obviating the need for the bridge in the first place by migration to whatever side of the bridge has "greener pastures."

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tree 木 6d ago

You're missing the most likely option (c) do nothing :)

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Melvin Carvalho 4d ago

A bit about bridges here:

https://socialdocs.org/docs/ecosystem/bridges

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Globe99 4d ago

Wow I had no idea there was this much consideration to bridges on the ActivityPub side...

I always thought that this was sort of an "adversarial interoperability" situation, especially w/r/t Nostr talking to Mastodon.