DMs, private groups, "White Noise" app all seem to be applicable for dissident communication. I agree, it's not the same as "social media." But the basic Nostr idea of "store stuff on redundant relays" can work for either.
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Yeah, but they're basically private networks bolted onto a protocol optimized for public consumption.
Not trying to stir shit up. I’ve just been here for a few years and still don’t really know who this platform is for. We all have different goals and it’s so radically individualistic that nobody can agree on anything.
While you will inevitably hear people say freedom and choice is the point, without any coherence it’s just rudderless.
Hehe "a few years" = the entire history of this protocol, so your opinion is as valid as mine bub. 😄
But still, I have to say it's the "other stuff" in "Notes and other stuff" to which I'm referring. The "twitter-like" part of Nostr, I.e. kind 1, is really only scratching the surface. You extend out from that to Longforms, which could in principle replace Substack/Medium, Reddit- or Discord- type private forums (don't know Kind # but that's out there).
The "twitter" part is simply the most developed, but I don't see anything awkward or "bolted on" about the other stuff... Would be a different story perhaps if we were talking about ATProto....
If anything can be said to be "optimized" about Nostr, IMHO it isn't the "public consumption" but rather the relay redundancy. Where this perhaps loses to other models is in the requirement for low-latency, I.e. voice or video, but that's not necessarily important for "dissident communication."
I’m with you on that, as I think many others are. If you walk the “other stuff” path, it’s not censorship resistance or dissident communication, it’s more like self sovereign publishing. A 3rd mode, a blogging renaissance (now with video!), which is also fantastic for a certain type of creative.
I have however come to the conclusion that the event schema drives relay design, and it’s a blocker, not enabler. A giant serialized string with an array of undocumented tags is no way to live.
It’s worth considering, if you were going to give ground on keys (identity), relays, or schema, which would you be willing to allow for other standards or services?
> A giant serialized string with an array of undocumented tags is no way to live.
… isn’t all social media basically like this?
Not really from a design standpoint since a single company/team dictates the schema. Interoperability is not on their mind.
In the case if nostr, people are not using tags not just for content discovery, they are using them for application logic.
all social media IS a serialized string. Unless one could search within their own posts using a keyword or hashtag. Blogs are a little different because there is a sidebar that organizes posts by month and year.
- dunno what you mean by on nostr people use tags for application logic.
interoperability is a good word. There should be more interoperability between the good apps. Like reddit + nostr = roster hehe
Interoperability and plain text is great, that’s not the argument I’m making. Application logic is how arrays are used to encode things that are application specific in the arrays of notes.
["p", "
["e", "
["r", "wss://relay.example.com", "read"]
["r", "wss://other.relay.com", "write"]
["p", "
To your point, is nostr a messaging protocol or a social media protocol or a payments protocol or an identity protocol or a publishing protocol. Hard to be all of them all at once.
sooo the tags in the snippet of code are what, and do what? How is it an example of application logic?
oh I actually think it’s a very flexible protocol. You can use it for anything.