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Sure. That’s my point. Kind1 is general use short message content. It’s not paywalls, galleries, long form movies, live video chat, a chat room, etc.

If you want to funnel specific use content, perhaps with paywalls and other aspects, use a different kind.

Or, as I suggested, host a purpose specific relay for the content. People opt-in then by enabling that relay - even for kind1.

They 99% of population do not want explicit and general content mixed. You can try, but I expect it will fail spectacularly and will result in endless reporting or user bans from relays.

Another idea you could suggest is a relay metadata flag for explicit content - then clients can know connecting to that relay is going to expose clients to that kind of content.

I’ve suggested a lot of ideas for you. All are valid for the network to support in the long term, and are solid an alternative to some formal content rating system.

I still don’t understand your proposed problem statement or desired outcome - except flood kind 1 today with mixed general and explicit content because you think it has to be in a single stream - and that makes no sense.

Blake 2y ago

And to clarify.. they can use kind 1 for general content (non-explicit profile picture, non-explicit banner, likely toned down profile, etc). But as soon as it becomes offensive and blasts unwanted content into general feeds - it will be a problem. We’ve had porn blasted in general feeds and people hated it… people even stopped using Nostr altogether.

Maybe they should have two accounts. One for general use posts, and one for explicit. Or just use one, but have toned down imagery. And only post explicit content to targeted relays. Problem mostly solved.

Nostr is a Protocol to support many use cases… not a dump everything in kind 1 because I think I need to. If people care enough, apps will add support for kind 69 or whatever you propose.

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s3x_jay 2y ago

What you describe is exactly the type of censorship Nostr was designed to thwart.

"But as soon as it becomes offensive"… Who defines "offensive"? Whoever tries to define that term definitively is practicing censorship.

My existence is offensive to some people. So I ask again - who's going to set the standard for what's offensive?

Nostr is a big tent which will eventually have a lot of diverse people using it. The approach we need to take is one of "how can we all just get along?" Objectively defining the content (even in broad terms) and then filtering on those definitions is the only viable solution I see at this point. And it's culturally neutral.

But no one gets to be "the censor of Nostr". No one gets to put someone else in a digital ghetto. That's not what Nostr is about. If that's what you what I'd suggest you go use Twitter, FB, Insta or even Mastodon. They work on the exact model you describe.

Blake 2y ago

I genuinely tried to help you here. Proceed however you wish - I’m no gate keeper.

If you are actually serious, my 4-5 suggestions in previous replies are a solid step forward in assisting your needs. We need a few key client app features to help allow greater identity and posting flexibility and control.

I think if you explore Nostr from a more technical side to understand it’s architecture better, you’ll appreciate how the first step is to run your own relay and promote it for whatever use case you want.

If people care, they will join and stay. If people don’t care, they don’t have to worry either. And if your relay shuts down and people have their data, they can just re-submit it to a replacing relay. There is no de-platforming or censorship.

Just keep in mind too that no relay operator wants to host content where they have to moderate or deal with potential legal issues or even server host content compliance. Explicit content is often unwanted heat. I don’t make those rules up.. it’s society.

Nostr is still built for smaller communities and groups to form. It’s early and today it’s mostly homogeneous - but in a year it will have already have themed relays and be far more broken into community and content types.