1. those aren't demonstrations that most PT is junk science, which is your claim I'm challenging

2. one just says that stretching in a lenghtened position is noninferior to strength exercises...not sure what you're trying to demonstrate with that one

3. one is a meta-analysis, with poorly defined inclusion criteria i might add, that failed to demonstrate whether or not stretching post exercise influenced three post exercise phenomena...again, not sure of your point.

yes, there are a shitton of really crappy "scientific" papers out there. some in prestigious journals. perverse incentives yada yada.

that doesn't mean that PT as a profession is built on a wrong understanding of the human machine, or that the interventions they do are harmful.

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Find me comparative studies where people who stretch are better off than people that don’t 🤷‍♂️

Most of what physical therapy had me do and others that I know was stretching.

you mean what "a therapist" had me do.

stop extrapolating your singular experience with one practitioner to an entire field.

And range of motion exercises and resistance exercises are not just stretching.

Like I said, i know plenty of people that wasted their time with PTs doing stretches.

Show me the comparative studies that imply stretching is beneficial.

You shouldn't believe those people. Most people (60-70%) do not adhere to the instructions of their physical therapist. Like you, they slack off when they go home. And again, resistance training isn't stretching. In the literature, "stretching" has a very specific definition. "Only stretching" is VERY rarely used as a PT treatment, and this isn't a recent practice change.

Himler P, Lee GT, Rhon DI, et al. Understanding Barriers to Adherence to Home Exercise Programs in Patients With Musculoskeletal Neck Pain. Musculoskeletal Science & Practice. 2023;63:102722. doi:10.1016/j.msksp.2023.102722.

Essery R, Geraghty AW, Kirby S, Yardley L. Predictors of Adherence to Home-Based Physical Therapies: A Systematic Review. Disability and Rehabilitation. 2017;39(6):519-534. doi:10.3109/09638288.2016.1153160.

Shahidi B, Padwal J, Lee E, et al. Factors Impacting Adherence to an Exercise-Based Physical Therapy Program for Individuals With Low Back Pain. PloS One. 2022;17(10):e0276326. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0276326.

You don’t know what I did lmao I did adhere to them but it didn’t help.

And why should I believe your chat gpt answers over them? 🤣

i'm 70% confident that I know what you did lol. byeeeee👋🏻👋🏻

Okay man come back when you learn what a comparative study is 🤣

also you're totally scrambled now lol believe me over them...but i was supporting whatever "them" told you to do..so i guess you agree with me? lol have a tea mate.

Moltubakk et al. (2021) examined the effects of 24 weeks of daily static stretching on the plantarflexors. They observed increased range of motion (ROM) and passive tendon elongation, but no changes in tendon stiffness, indicating that stretching can alter muscle-tendon behavior without necessarily increasing tendon stiffness.[1]

Su et al. (2008) investigated the effects of cyclic stretching on rat tendons and ligaments. They found that cyclic stretching significantly increased the ultimate stress and elastic modulus of both the patellar tendon and medial collateral ligament, suggesting enhanced mechanical properties with stretching.[2]

Kay et al. (2015) compared contract-relax (CR) stretching, static stretching (SS), and isometric contractions. They found that CR stretching and isometric contractions significantly reduced tendon stiffness, while static stretching did not. All interventions increased ROM, but the changes in muscle and tendon stiffness were distinct.[3]

[1] Moltubakk MM, Villars FO, Magulas MM, et al. Altered Triceps Surae Muscle-Tendon Unit Properties After 6 Months of Static Stretching. Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise. 2021;53(9):1975-1986. doi:10.1249/MSS.0000000000002671.

[2] Su WR, Chen HH, Luo ZP. Effect of Cyclic Stretching on the Tensile Properties of Patellar Tendon and Medial Collateral Ligament in Rat. Clinical Biomechanics (Bristol, Avon). 2008;23(7):911-7. doi:10.1016/j.clinbiomech.2008.04.002.

[3] Kay AD, Husbands-Beasley J, Blazevich AJ. Effects of Contract-Relax, Static Stretching, and Isometric Contractions on Muscle-Tendon Mechanics. Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise. 2015;47(10):2181-90. doi:10.1249/MSS.0000000000000632.

HOWEVER there is definitely ***some*** evidence suggesting that individuals who do not stretch may not be at a significant disadvantage compared to those who do, particularly in terms of injury prevention and muscle soreness.

A systematic review published in the BMJ concluded that stretching before or after exercise does not confer significant protection from muscle soreness or reduce the risk of injury.[1]

A randomized trial in the British Journal of Sports Medicine found that stretching did not produce clinically significant reductions in all-injury risk, although it did reduce the risk of experiencing bothersome soreness and injuries to muscles, ligaments, and tendons.[2]

A systematic review in Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise indicated that static stretching (SS) and proprioceptive neuromuscular facilitation (PNF) stretching had no clear effect on all-cause or overuse injuries, and dynamic stretching (DS) produced small-to-moderate performance improvements when completed within minutes of physical activity.[3]

A review in Sports Medicine highlighted that stretching may not be necessary for injury prevention in sports with low-intensity stretch-shortening cycles (SSCs), such as jogging or cycling, where a compliant muscle-tendon unit is less critical.[4]

It comes down to the movement you're doing, how much, how often, and your own biophysics.

[1] Herbert RD, Gabriel M. Effects of Stretching Before and After Exercising on Muscle Soreness and Risk of Injury: Systematic Review. BMJ (Clinical Research Ed.). 2002;325(7362):468. doi:10.1136/bmj.325.7362.468.

[2] Jamtvedt G, Herbert RD, Flottorp S, et al. A Pragmatic Randomised Trial of Stretching Before and After Physical Activity to Prevent Injury and Soreness. British Journal of Sports Medicine. 2010;44(14):1002-9. doi:10.1136/bjsm.2009.062232.

[3] Behm DG, Blazevich AJ, Kay AD, McHugh M. Acute Effects of Muscle Stretching on Physical Performance, Range of Motion, and Injury Incidence in Healthy Active Individuals: A Systematic Review. Applied Physiology, Nutrition, and Metabolism = Physiologie Appliquee, Nutrition Et Metabolisme. 2016;41(1):1-11. doi:10.1139/apnm-2015-0235.

[4] Witvrouw E, Mahieu N, Danneels L, McNair P. Stretching and Injury Prevention: An Obscure Relationship. Sports Medicine (Auckland, N.Z.). 2004;34(7):443-9. doi:10.2165/00007256-200434070-00003.

Sorry, for comparative studies:

Mahieu et al. (2007) conducted a study comparing static and ballistic stretching to a control group over six weeks. They found that static stretching significantly decreased passive resistive torque without changing Achilles tendon stiffness, while ballistic stretching significantly decreased Achilles tendon stiffness without affecting passive resistive torque

Moltubakk et al. (2021) examined the effects of 24 weeks of daily static stretching on the plantarflexors. They observed increased range of motion (ROM) and passive tendon elongation, but no changes in tendon stiffness, indicating that stretching can alter muscle-tendon behavior without necessarily increasing tendon stiffness.[1]

Su et al. (2008) investigated the effects of cyclic stretching on rat tendons and ligaments. They found that cyclic stretching significantly increased the ultimate stress and elastic modulus of both the patellar tendon and medial collateral ligament, suggesting enhanced mechanical properties with stretching.[2]

Kay et al. (2015) compared contract-relax (CR) stretching, static stretching (SS), and isometric contractions. They found that CR stretching and isometric contractions significantly reduced tendon stiffness, while static stretching did not. All interventions increased ROM, but the changes in muscle and tendon stiffness were distinct.[3]

[1] Moltubakk MM, Villars FO, Magulas MM, et al. Altered Triceps Surae Muscle-Tendon Unit Properties After 6 Months of Static Stretching. Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise. 2021;53(9):1975-1986. doi:10.1249/MSS.0000000000002671.

[2] Su WR, Chen HH, Luo ZP. Effect of Cyclic Stretching on the Tensile Properties of Patellar Tendon and Medial Collateral Ligament in Rat. Clinical Biomechanics (Bristol, Avon). 2008;23(7):911-7. doi:10.1016/j.clinbiomech.2008.04.002.

[3] Kay AD, Husbands-Beasley J, Blazevich AJ. Effects of Contract-Relax, Static Stretching, and Isometric Contractions on Muscle-Tendon Mechanics. Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise. 2015;47(10):2181-90. doi:10.1249/MSS.0000000000000632.

Seems like you’re just pulling these from chat gpt lol they’re not proving anything about stretching

not from the cgtp, I'm pulling them from a curated repository of quality articles i can access through my institution. But you can get them on scihub or annasarchive.

they're showing that stretching is effective for various things, and not effective for various things.

i'm showing both sides.

this kind of info is then applied in the context of the myriad ways folks hurt themselves. Sometimes resistance is an absolute no go. other times it's exactly what's needed. sometimes motion is needed for blood flow, but not loading.

not expecting you to understand, just leaving this here for anyone who has half a brain and stumbles onto your amoebic, anemic tirade.

done chatting bro. totally unpleasant. go read a logic book and study stats. be well.

This is proving my point. One of the studies found that stretching wasn’t making people better off than not stretching. The rest are not comparative and one is on rats.

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