What about freedom of association? If we want to exclude trans people from everything we do, we will, and we should. "Freedom" can't be an excuse for a man claiming confusion to beat the shit out of an actual woman. It's just gone way too far.
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Nobody has an excuse to be randomly violent toward anyone else. Yet violent people will still behave that way. It’s beside the point.
Freedom of association is a good thing. Choosing to exclude trans people is an asshole way of exercising your freedom of association.
This isn’t a question of first principles. Freedom is good. Using freedom to be a bigot is bad.
It’s not nuanced.
(I disagree with your point but I appreciate you replying and engaging in good faith. I meant to start with that).
I was thinking of that women's boxing match at the Olympics. They let a man fight, and he just absolutely demolished the women.
The silver medalist quit after fighting him for 40 seconds. She fell to her knees and yelled "this is unjust", and forfeited after being punched twice. She's an Olympian boxer and she said she had never been hit that hard in her life.
Why was this allowed to happen? Because we keep listening to the wrong people who claim it's virtuous to let this happen. It's not.
This. If you don’t have freedom of association you don’t have freedom. Freedom is leaving people alone to do what they will if it is something that is a deal breaker for you. The criteria for which is a personal decision each person gets to make for themselves. Everyone else is of course free to not associate with you in response. I don’t care one way or the other about this particular issue but those that do are free to associate or disassociate as they will under any rational theory or libertarianism or freedom.
Bros he’s just saying if you claim to love freedom and then post memes about how much you hate gay/trans/whatever people, you’re a dick. Not the same thing as “leaving them alone” in fact quite the opposite.
And of course people are free to be dicks, as i am to mute them
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CIS men have raped & beaten women for millennia. The ERA was presented to the USA government more than 100 years ago. It hasn’t passed.
Churches have leaders who are known rapists of children & have moved them around for how long? They paid people off for this.
Per usual basic white man fragility doesn’t want to look at his own neighbors & call them out. Instead they focus on a minority to blame for all troubles in the world.
Not shocked.
Bottom line: Overall, men have proven they don’t care about CIS women. Why is anyone surprised they can’t focus on their own internal biases?
What is it within the NPC code that does this, where you say "yeah but what about white Christian men" as an automatic response to any criticism whatsoever on any topic, no matter how irrelevant?
I dunno man, you've got issues and you're just not as important as you think. And if you're going to exhaust a debate with bad faith conjecture then I just don't have the time. But if you can answer whether or not mentally ill men should be allowed to dominate women's sports, or put on dresses and dance for children, then I guess we can talk.