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So you expect everyone runs their own relay, just like everyone runs email servers today right?

Remember there is no centralization around gmail today — you can always selfhost since smtp is an open protocol. And if someone wont receive your emails well thats not a problem right?

Silberengel 1y ago 💬 1

Everyone doesn't need to run a relay, but everyone could. Running a relay is already incredibly easy to do, and costs nothing, and that'll just get better.

It's not decentralized, if you need to traverse "approved" hubs to get from point A to point B. That's not only a protocol question, that's an implementation question.

We are emphasizing a complex, sprawling network of privately-run nodes, preferably communicating offline or over Tor, to avoid the centralized fate of email.

Every relay operator is free to let me use his relay or not. This is a nonviolent protocol. We do not need consensus in event content or originators. We just need lots and lots of different paths, and to ensure that anyone can build their own path.

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Viktor Vsk 1y ago 💬 1

Running relay is cheap and will only become cheaper and corporations are straight stupid paying millions of dollars monthly for infrastructure?

Or rather this “cheap outbox relay approach” ignores social media aspects and focuses on “private groups” scenarios which is more like my personal webpage no one knows about rather twitter alternative?

Silberengel 1y ago 💬 1

It addresses both scenarios because you can write directly to the big ones.

You can explicitly choose the relay you want to write to, in some particular instance, while your outboxes tell others where a copy of your notes can _usually_ be found.

So, I am writing to a big relay, right now, but a copy is stored in my personal relay.

Viktor Vsk 1y ago 💬 1

The only reason why you can write to big ones right now is because no one uses nostr right now. There is no even theoretical incentive for public relays to operate if nostr really becomes something

And no one wants to address this issue. Instead people tend to over engineer 64K relays that are extremely efficient and can serve 256 out of a coffee machine

Silberengel 1y ago

There is no direct incentive, for public relays, that's true. Incentives don't need to be direct. We run one for documents because we have developed a publishing/reader app. Facilitating the usage of the app is the incentive.

And we will have very large private relays, because of micropayments.