loans on bitcoin inherently have risk but they can also be incredibly useful

for those that want one, i am confident strike will provide the best and most responsible experience

- secure custody

- dollars instantly in your bank account

- easy and clear ux

- competitive rates

their in-app flow is very clear about risk and liquidation levels, with a high reserve requirement, to reduce loan loss

skepticism is healthy but their product is new and will become better quickly, feedback is helpful

soon:

- roll overs

- lower rates

- proof of reserves

disclosure: ten31 is strike's lead investor and jack is a brother

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Demand for the dollar extends its life. Starve the beast, stave off mandibles

paying less tax starves the beast

You can minimize a tax bill by living modestly. An inflationary dollar does more harm. It must be destroyed

we live modestly, full time bitcoin means i am cash flow poor, still gotta pay the mortgage, would rather pay interest than tax

interest only helps in US if one has enough deductions to itemize

I’d wager there’s not many people operating on a bitcoin standard like you. My guess is the vast majority of plebs like me earn enough dollars to fund their lifestyle and save the excess in bitcoin. My point is that Strike profits mostly off unwitting Bitcoiners. It’s a life or death marshmallow test for those who haven’t put in their 1,000+ hours of study

A lot of the skepticism is from the last bear market shenanigans

The more tools bitcoiners have the better in my opinion

Dont let these loan sharks gets your bitcoin.

A thousand percent

And Odell shilling it is sickening

Skepticism’s fair, but this looks like a solid start. Clear UX + high reserve = smart design.

Assuming the rates go low enough, more into savings loan for usd.

Very proud of you and Jack's bold innovativeness in coming out with a lending product. Such brilliant minds bode well for the coming world where bitcoiners own all the wealth. Such a huge improvement over fiat thinkers, I can't wait to see you guys reshape every other industry in the world!

Still going to be weary and overly cautious regardless of the glowing references and credentials a company has especially with all the fuckery from over the last few years.

reasonable

FYI these VCs dressed in pleb clothing are funded by Zionist Wall Street bankers. These guys are slowly turning into marketers for the ZOG and the very thing the pretend to fight against. Dont let them get your bitcoin. Be wary of wolves and sharks podcasters.

your jewish conspiracies are sad yegor

You gonna learn.

Could be useful when there’s still fiat currencies around

Not to mention payments at maturity 🫡🤙🔥

Stay humble

yes

You can take loans with bitcoin on Solana. Make zBTC 1:1 by depositing BTC on btc.Apollodex.io. Then swap zBTC for cbBTC (which is coin base’s wrapped BTC); deposit cbBTC on Kamino as collateral, and borrow with good marginal some USDC which you can send to Kraken and swap for FIAT.

this is satire right?

No. It is reality, and you people are retarded 🤷🏼‍♂️

this seems overly complicated if the goal is simply dollars in a bank account

It took me an hour to finance my new apartement without selling bitcoin. In a couple of years I’ll maybe pay back the loan, but with a very much smaller part of my bitcoin stack. I take that as a win.

Solana DeFi is incredibly useful for bitcoiners who want to keep their bitcoin and use it too.

The reality is that any BTC sent to “Apollo” anything is GONE Quicker than Nicolas Cage.

#STRIKE

#BITCOIN

What would you say if I told you that I had a woman that wanted to meet with you?

Would you swap her for her cousin, then wrap her up, then take her to her to her hair dresser then deposit $5.00 as collateral then borrow $3.00 to send her on a bus…. You are funny HANS! Stop it

#bitcoin

#bitcoinersbeware

Glad you enjoyed the UX - big updates coming 🔜

Strike has been great for me consistently over the past 4 years. 🔥

shipping with speed 💪

Rates seem high to me for overcollateralized USD loans. Similar products are in the mid single digits. I'd like to see a breakdown of the fee calculation. It seems to be high markup or lots of middlemen taking a cut.

over collateralized bitcoin loans should have the lowest rates but it will take some time

strike is committed to delivering the lowest rates possible

there are no fees, neither origination or prepayment, so users can take advantage of lower rates as they are reduced

Yeah, but the fact that they aren't makes me wonder who is getting higher than market rates. Either strike is taking a high margin or the sources of capital are asking for too much. I just want transparency to which it is.

Jack is killing it with the open transparent process he takes in leading Strike. I’d bet the product just gets better and better on a fast timeline.

lol CEO "heroes" bahahahaha!

I still can't not think of a single use case for borrowing bitcoin over borrowing fiat.

strike loans enables users to borrow fiat using bitcoin as collateral

“Neither a borrower, nor a lender be; For loan oft loses both itself and friend, and borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry. This above all: to thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man.” — Shakespeare, Hamlet

savings tax didn’t exist back then

Ok, I've looked into this. I thought they were lending bitcoin too now.

Roll overs there we go, let’s get it done !

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Sounds like you're not a real Bitcoiner. SAD

lmfao

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their product is bullshit fiat

That's how it's supposed to be.

You can't turn fiat into dust, if you don't force it's weak points.

We have reached the point again where people give their (digital) gold to someone in order to receive paper notes in return. History always repeats itself.

Dollars🤢🤢

In a bank account 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

Jack mallers has enough bitcoin

Don’t let him hold yours

That’s disgusting brother

Don't get a loan,

and if you do,

make sure it's for something useful,

and that's a loan you afford.

Logical approach. Truth is for anything that matters (food, energy, shelter, services) people accept fiat. Thus you need dollars end of story. This is another way to get the dollars you need to enjoy life with your loved ones . Bitcoin is just a tool to help us achieve that

All BTC loans at the current time are GARBAGE no reason for such interest rates on an over collateralized loan. Only when banks get involved (soon) will companies like RIver, Strike, etc. will treat these loans the way they should be treated.

we had trouble negotiating rates down with lenders pre launch, now that the product is out and loan book is growing it is becoming easier

expect rates to drop significantly in the next month and then we will keep pushing them down after that

there is no origination or prepayment fee, so anyone who has an existing loan can take advantage of lower rates as they drop

I don't like dollar loans with collateral ₿ 🤷‍♂️ it's stronger than me. The question is: why did you go all-in in ₿ if you need the dollars now?

the actual graph 👍

Ok! But now you have to give your ₿ to someone who lends you dollars at fairly high interest. Anyway yes I understood. By going all-in you defended your purchasing power. But I still can't understand. What do you need dollars now?

my family holds our savings in bitcoin

since leaving my fiat job and going full time bitcoin we have been cash flow poor

whenever possible we spend bitcoin directly

we still have to pay our mortgage and other dollar expenses, when expenses are greater than cash flow we sell coin

now that strike loans exist we have another option

Ok i understand. In some cases like yours it can be useful 😉

No wonder order 6102

You had me at “secure custody”

Next time you have a word, could you ask Jack if he can sort out some third world fiat loans too please, just so that we can really go for it!

plan is to offer loans globally, will take some time though

Speculative-astic !

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Swapping #Bitcoin for dollars 🤔

I'd prefer to do it the other way round. But that's just me.

ok ok

I was lying about Bitcoin adoption creating deflationary conditions that disincentivizing spending.

all you need is fiat L2s so people can *keep their Bitcoin

AND still spend!

*poof*

no more deflation!

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nostr:nprofile1qqsvf646uxlreajhhsv9tms9u6w7nuzeedaqty38z69cpwyhv89ufcqngza3a claims that the collateral will not be rehypothecated. At the same time, he says that he doesn't have the pool of dollars to loan out. That's hypocrisy. By demanding 2 times the loaned amount as Bitcoin collateral and not having a capped pool of dollars to loan out is criminal, and I would not pledge my Bitcoin to such an entity. I would rather sell it and buy what I need to improve the quality of my life.

The hate on this blows my mind. First, to be 100% clear, everyone should do as they see fit with their bitcoin/fiat/seashells/etc.

Borrowing against an appreciating asset makes sense. No selling (ie: losing future appreciation on) said asset, and no capital gains. This is why the rich have done this for a very long time

Do the initial rates suck? Yes. This will change, and quickly I believe.

FIAT Simps - thats what you guys are.

On what fucking planet is putting up $140k in bitcoin to secure 70K cuckbucks at 12% APR and margin calls and liquidations at 70% and 80% LTV, is that “incredible useful” ? A regular fiat loan has way lower apr with zero risk of margin call or liquidation of your bitcoin. Seems like a good deal for Strike.

rates will be reduced soon, needed to launch first in order to better negotiate with lenders, since there is no origination or prepayment fees, users can take advantage of lower rates as they are offered

app makes liquidation level very clear, users can add collateral at will to lower it

if you dont find loans a useful feature thats fine, but many users do

Whatever u ppl are fiat 0.2 and it's getting and looking quite pathetic th way u've got sucked in and assimilated into fiat to provide minor correctives.

i have a simple thesis, bitcoiners should have more options, and the freedom to choose what makes most sense for them

I agree ☝🏼

Totally, bitcoiners need more ways to not have custody of their bitcoin, need more options.

Let the free market decide. I’m staying with self custody only 🧡🗽

It’s not a free market. It’s a heavily regulated industry. Nothing free about it.

That’s why I’m saying „ let the free market decide“ because I’m advocating for it. 🗽

I agree that free market should decide but I still think it’s a terrible product like I said previously a regular Fiat loan has better terms than this with zero chance of liquidation

Thx 4 sharing your pov 👊🏼

Agreed! I’m only jealous that my state doesn’t have the strike lend option yet. Any idea on an ETA? nostr:npub1cn4t4cd78nm900qc2hhqte5aa8c9njm6qkfzw95tszufwcwtcnsq7g3vle

we are working towards adding additional states as quickly as possible

goal is to offer loans everywhere strike is available

What happened to get you coins off exchanges not your keys not your coins? Guess that narrative is dead sad

nope, self custody is still best

as i said above, loans inherently have risk

strike makes self custody incredibly easy and most users choose that path

Personal, informed choice just feels right.

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Umm... Not really. As someone who recently worked for a fiat lender, our unsecured loans were at 15%, and that is on the low side, because it was a credit union.

Certain collateralized loans had lower rates, but currently only as low as 5.5%-6% for the most qualified borrowers, but you have to remember that the type of collateral most institutions are lending on isn't nearly as volatile as Bitcoin.

There is also the issue that Strike doesn't have permission to print money. They have to incentivize lenders to put up 100% of the amount financed, while most traditional institutions only keep reserves of maybe 10% and they get to create the rest of the money out of thin air. Strike, on the other hand, has to offer their lenders an interest rate that is attractive enough to outweigh the opportunity cost of putting the money somewhere else, because they don't get to fund new money into existence like a bank can.

There is no math or situation in the world that could make me think giving up keys to 2 bitcoin for 1 bitcoin worth of fiat is a good deal at 12% Apr with high chance of margin call and liquidation because of volatility. Sorry I think it’s a turd.

I tend to agree, and that's why I have never taken a loan on my Bitcoin. Just explaining why the loans are structured the way they are compared to traditional collateralized loans.

Fair enough

Loans are fine but why not nostr:nprofile1qqszw0ncsrfc6wd8lv3cal8cj4apkke8aqv3y75ys05h2st2p2g035spr4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezucnfw33k76twv4ezuum0vd5kzmp0qy28wumn8ghj7un9d3shjctzd3jjummjvuhsegmm6h in$tead 😉?

Those centralized apps/banks are just troyan horses. We should only/always support p2p if don’t wanna get fucked

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Maybe because of the refferals...

Viva la hodlhodl!

The standard 50% LTV is a 2x leveraged trade. It also creates credit (money out of nothing), inflating the money supply. This is not sound money.

Is this a necessary phase we have to pass through as fiat becomes worthless and the more we hasten it the better? Or is this a new paradigm where fiat loans are here to stay?

And do we also agree that moralising is easy so long as you don’t have your finger on the money printing button 😂