In few years the word #bitcoin will vanish from public discourse and then from memory .. that is when it will become reserve currency .. sovereign participants shall make sure its price is fixed to ten kilos of #gold .. a stable #goldCoin
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Today you can get the weight of ten kilos #gold for the price of one - give or take .. because you still hear #bitcoin
Never gonna happen, homie. πββοΈ
The inflation rate of #Bitcoin is already less than #Gold β΄ #BTC is already the apex asset & will continue to become a stronger money relative to #GLD / #XAU (and everything else) ad infinitum. π€·ββοΈ
Bitcoin is not the thing being measured; it is the ruler. π€
You can say whatever you like; it's still never gonna happen. π€
You mean one Bitcoin will never be equal to ten kilos of gold ?? Just wanna understand when you say "never gonna happen" - what does it mean ?
#Bitcoin will never be pegged to anything, because it will outperform everythingβ¦ forever. πββοΈ
What you're saying is akin to "Oh, we can just change the speed of light to whatever speed we like whenever it suits us"β¦ but you can't. π€·ββοΈ
The formula to calculate the speed of light is a universal physical constant; 1 lightyear = 1 lightyear.
The formula to calculate the value of #BTC is a universal economic constant; βΏ1 = βΏ1.
Just like nothing that has mass can exceed the speed of light, nothing that has mass can exceed the value of Bitcoin. π«΄
If you don't understand this yet, then you need to study harder. π€
First of all Variable speed of Light is an active research topic ... https://www.perplexity.ai/search/quantum-theory-for-variable-sp-rdB4vprnR7elxp72icvl9g#0
Second - assuming speed of light is CONSTANT .. how does that explain that Bitcoin price WILL NEVER be a constant ? If you are comparing BTC with speed of light than it should always have a fix price !
VSL is strictly theoretical & zero evidence exists to support it because we literally can't observe/measure/test it. Quantum Field Theory & General Relativity bind light speed as a universal constant. Everything we have ever observed or measured is bound by that speed & nobody has ever disproven it. πββοΈ
You're misunderstanding the analogy. You're drawing the parallel that if the speed of light exists, then everything should travel at light speed. I never stated that price is a constant; I said that the value is a constant.
The #BTC QUANTITY is a constant; ~21M coins total.
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The #Bitcoin VALUE is also bound by that constant; βΏ1 = βΏ1.
The #BTC PRICE is a variable that can fluctuate anywhere from 0-100% of economic energy.
Just like different bodies of mass can have differing speed properties based on the physical energy input/output of the system, the Bitcoin price can fluctuate based on applied economic energy in the system.
Based on total global economic value, the Bitcoin network is currently sitting at ~0.069% of global economic value (~$3.53 quadrillion) at a price of ~$116K.
If it was:
1% = $1.68M per coin
10% = $16.8M per coin
100% = $168.1M per coin
These numbers are obviously variable since total global value isn't constant & we will never reach 100% of total global value because humans will always value things other than Bitcoin (and because money can be printed out of thin air), but the current theoretical "speed limit" applied to the price variable is $168.1M per coin, bound by the network constants. π€·ββοΈ
Theory still holds. π€
Sure .. in 1875 , before Maxwell arrived on the scene , the speed of light was believed to to variable ... In the hindsight , that might be true ..because the only reason we cant get to a unified theory is we are (thanks to Einstein :-) assuming speed of light to be fundamental constent .. there is absolutely no good reason for this assumption except the measurements with our rather arcane instruments and religious esq belief ..
But that is not even the main point ...
Just replace in btc in your analogy with xyz ..and you would notice same dreamy valuations πππ
The point is people are still going to eat , live in a home , invest in businesses , wear jewelry ... And most importantly - convert raw energy to electricity to run Bitcoin miners ..
On the other hand , my predictions are based on a simple idea - the market cap of Gold and BTC must be equal in 2034 .. in 2034 ..we will have around 210 million Kilos of gold and 21 million Bitcoin .. which means one BTC shall be equal to 10 kilos of gold ..
Gold will represent to real world and BTC shall be gold of digital world ..
While they will absolutely have the same market cap at multiple points, #Bitcoin will never be pegged to #Gold or retain a lock-step value or market cap. πββοΈ
#BTC will reach inevitable parity, then exceed #XAU simply because βΏ's inflation rate is already lower than #GLD & eventually falls to zero (which gold will never do). π€·ββοΈ
Nothing stops this train. π€
Nope
Like we have it in a vault and they give us a gold backed note or we can have a "checking account" with dollars.. i mean "stable goldcoin".. π₯΄have fun with that! π
Bitcoin, a decentralized, censorship-resistant, and unmanipulatable money and property built on math and energy, reinforced through a collective consciousness of impenetrable truth rooted in voluntary human cooperation embodies a tool of this envisioned resistance.
Its fixed supply and borderless nature prevent governments from perpetuating endless wars or inflationary debt, aligning with biblical calls for just systems.
By enabling individuals to evade oppression simply through remembering 12 words, it offers borderless, nationstate resistant, incorruptible money with no physical encumbrance
Advancements, including the emergence of gold as money, arose from humans innate desire to protect their wealth and sovereignty.
People innately seek money that is portable/durable, recognizable/verifiable, divisible, universally desired and scarce. Through history people have used many things as money, consistently seeking what best satisfies these properties, and good was the best we had found.
But gold's flaws are obvious. Gold is costly and dangerous to secure, needing a vault or other defense mechanisms to protect, carry or transport.
Gold is easy to confiscate/steal, counterfeit/dilute.
Gold led to and always leads to trusting a third party, which always gives way to corruption via central banking and thus fractional reserve banking, arbitrary debt creation, fiat money and authoritarian governance.
Gold is spoils of war and incentivizes violence to survive or to gain prosperity.
Modern decentralized technologies like Bitcoin and Nostr, which empower individuals to evade economic and communicative subjugation.
I didn't say #bitcoin shall be backed by #gold .. I am saying big players shall fix the price of one BTC to 10 kilos of gold ..
Even today , a company like #strategy can fix the BTC price to say 100 k .. all they have to do is start selling from their stash of half million BTC as soon as the price goes above 100 k and start buying as soon as it goes below ..
No, no one can control the price of #bitcoin.
No one can make more bitcoin and there is no way to know if a Country or a company is going to start buying bitcoin.
There is no way to know when small businesses or groups of people around the world will start buying more bitcoin.
Discourse on Bitcoin's price stability often overlooks its decentralized nature, rendering attempts by large entities to peg its value-whether to gold or a fixed dollar amount-futile. Historical precedents, from Roman coinage to the Medici banking collapse, reveal centralized assets like gold succumb to capture and manipulation, whereas Bitcoin's fixed supply and global, permissionless market ensure it flows to long-term holders, reinforcing its role as an incorruptible store of value.
Any effort to control its price only accelerates its distribution to stronger hands, as its value derives not from centralized dictate but from subjective, free-market dynamics rooted in scarcity and sovereignty.
Bitcoin demonetizes gold. Beyond your claims, including your claims of being educated on bitcoin, you should study bitcoin more. Or keep trying to guess the price or how people will set the price of bitcoin. Good luck.
Assertions that gold's role as a store of value (SoV) predates fiat currency and persists independently of it overlooks the historical mechanisms through which gold's monetary role has consistently intertwined with centralized control and, ultimately, fiat systems.
While gold's inherent properties: scarcity, divisibility, portability, and near-universal desirability have long positioned it as a preferred medium of exchange and SoV, these same attributes render it vulnerable to capture and manipulation, fostering centralization that paves the way for fiat-like systems.
My argument is not that gold lacks value absent fiat but that its practical application as money throughout history reveals a paradox: its strengths enable its adoption, yet its physicality ensures its capture, leading to systems of control that mirror or evolve into fiat arrangements. Historically, gold's role as a SoV has been inseparable from power dynamics.
From the Roman Empire's aureus to
medieval European coinage, gold's concentration in the hands of rulers, conquerors, and elites often through war, tribute, or monopolistic mining enabled its use as a tool of centralized authority.
The spoils of conquest, such as the influx of New World gold into Spain during the 16th century, illustrate this capture.
The resulting supply shock fueled inflation, destabilizing economies across Europe, as documented by historians like Fernand Braudel, who noted price increases of 300-400% in Spain over a century.
Similarly, the California Gold Rush of 1848-1855 disrupted monetary stability, flooding markets with gold and undermining its purchasing power locally.
These examples counter claims that gold's supply growth has consistently been outpaced by productivity.
While human productivity has indeed grown, gold's supply is neither predictable nor stable; technological advancements in mining (e.g., hydraulic mining in the 19th century or modern cyanide leaching) and transportation (e.g., transatlantic trade routes) have repeatedly introduced supply shocks, altering its scarcity and value in localized economies.
The purchasing power of gold depends not only on economic activity outpacing supply growth but also on the absence of manipulation.
Gold's physical nature makes it prone to adulteration (e.g. debasement with base metals, as seen in Roman and Byzantine coinage) and centralized control, whether by mints, banks, or governments.
The emergence of fractional reserve banking in the 17th century, rooted in goldsmiths issuing receipts for gold they held, directly ties gold to fiat-like systems.
These receipts, circulating as currency, often exceeded physical gold reserves, creating a proto-fiat mechanism prone to overissuance and crises, evidenced by the collapse of early banking houses like the Medici.
This historical trajectory demonstrates that gold's use as money facilitates centralized systems of credit and control, which are precursors to modern fiat currencies.
To dismiss concerns about gold's vulnerabilities as "simple forgery", underestimates the systemic implications.
Adulteration, hoarding, and monopolistic control are not mere aberrations but intrinsic to gold's physicality.
Unlike a purely digital or decentralized asset, gold's verifiability requires trust in intermediaries mints, assayers, or banks which invites manipulation.
The transition from gold-backed to fiat currencies in the 20th century, culminating in the abandonment of the gold standard in 1971, was not an anomaly but a culmination of gold's limitations: its centralization enabled governments to shift to fully fiat systems, unmoored from physical constraints yet built on the trust gold once commanded.
The supply shocks, coupled with technological shifts in mining and transport, have repeatedly disrupted gold's stability as an SoV.
These flaws, capture, manipulation, and erratic supply mean that gold's role as money, while enduring, is neither independent of nor immune to the centralized, fiat-like systems it engenders.
Far from being a stable SoV in isolation, gold's history reveals a cyclical pattern of concentration and control, challenging the notion that it stands apart from fiat dynamics.
Also, study Austrian economics, value is always subjective.
Through remembering 12 words, bitcoin offers borderless, nationstate resistant, incorruptible money with no physical encumbrance.
Nothing else on Earth can or ever has been able to provably make that claim.
The ability to send money anywhere on earth instantly with no intermediary and almost no fees, combined with the ability to move massive wealth anywhere in 15 minutes cheaply with no physical encumbrance is valuable.
What would it cost to move gold and how long would it take? Security, crossing boarders, its weight, all add to transport cost.
How about someone leaving a war zone, in a dangerous part of town, a refugee or anyone crossing a border. What's safer, 12 words or carrying gold?
Worth looking into the human rights foundation to see how bitcoin has helped dissidents and people escaping atrocities around the world.
Anybody who wants sovereign savings will value bitcoin, regardless of your thoughts on it.
If you don't believe bitcoin is verifiable and unstoppable, study it and learn.
If you're curious or think the assertions made about bitcoins capabilities could be valuable if true but you're skeptical, find out for yourself to know for sure. Conviction comes from education and seeking truth.