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You are wasting time arguing with someone who is coping about his failed products

I mean I like Justin, he’s always been a good guy, but I don’t see the same on this issue for sure.

I also can’t see how Ark does anything other than provide a net benefit to the entire Lightning ecosystem either. It seems like it really serves the role of “channel factories” that we never got due to the sheer difficulty of coordination involved. Excited to see this in action on mainnet after years of quiet building.

It’s also not as if Lightning or Ark are perfect, but they seem to me to be very similar and very prudent trade offs to get different benefits that work fantastic when used together.

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Justin (shocknet) 2mo ago

It's literally an attack on the Lightning system, to centralize it, and in so doing provide surveillance tooling.

Coordination is just centralization, people didn't like the centralization of LSP's batching, and the costs is so low it's already irrelevant, so these scammers just re-branded it and added-in some false narratives.

Neither are perfect because there are immutable physics of the chain, Lightning is emergent from those, and Ark just lies about it.