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Liquid Network

Liquid Network is extremely undervalued. People are still thinking about coinjoins and arguing among themselves when they have a much cheaper method.

Remember that transactions on Liquid are confidential, only the signer of the transaction and the receiver can know what amount has been sent, for them Borromean ring signatures are used.

Manual for Dummies:

- You make a peg-in of the amount you want to anonymize, if you have an elements node (Liquid node) or use the decentralized Exchange Tdex the cost will be only the cost of the chain transaction, if you do not have any of the above available you can make a peg-in with sideswap for 0.1%.

- Once you have converted your btc inside Liquid to L-BTC you make a peg-out with sideswap, do not make a peg-out of the same total amount that you have made the peg-in and try to space it in time if there are several. The cost of the sideswap peg-out is 0.1% plus the fee of the chain transaction.

One way to avoid also performing the peg-in is to buy L-BTC directly for example on Bisq.

In the best case, the whole operation will cost you the fee of two blockchain transactions and 0.1% in the worst case 0.2% plus the two blockchain transactions, I recommend you to set up your own node elements or use the decentralized Exchange tdex to perform the peg-in without permission and avoid that 0.1%.

When you make a peg-out you receive btc that are retained in the federation, the allocation is random, so seen from the outside, Liquid is like a classic mixer but without centralized custody as it is federated, your coins enter the federation and when you leave with a peg-out you are given other coins that are not your initial coins thus breaking the heuristics of your initial coins.

All this is done without any KYC, you can increase the anonymity using tor or a vpn in sideswap so that there is no trace of your ip.

I gotta be honest, I still don't see the purpose of liquid. Do people actually use it?

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Yes, and since boltz has been offering swaps, its use has increased.

The goal is to offer features that Bitcoin does not have, faster and cheaper and confidential transactions, it is a layer 2 solution like LN.

Yes, for example the use case I have is that I've found I need to have some sats aside for rebalancing my lightning channels sometimes. So where to keep those sats without them being on some non self custodial wallet? I could just hold them in on chain btc but the transaction cost and hassle of swapping into lightning each time I need some sats for my node isn't ideal. So.....I decided to swap a load of sats into liquid (used Boltz exchange) and then when I need sats on lightning I just swap back from liquid into lightning. It's faster and cheaper. Green wallet are coming out with the ability to have a lightning wallet as well as Liquid and on chain BTC, all self custodial. I've known about Liquid for quite a long time but only recently found a need for it and it's a fair enough solution for what I need.

liquid seems to target large transactions or family hedge funds. I think that is apparent in the assets available like bonds. That said it seems like it would be a great solution for everyday users if it were more accessible. So far the only way I know how to access it is through green wallet