Core: people are still jumping the fence whether it’s there or not, let’s just remove the fences for all parks without their say.

Littering intensifies.

Knots: the fence was stopping many people from easily littering despite some doing it anyway. Let’s let the park decide what to do with their fences.

Perspective.

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Dumbasses who disrespect rules will do so regardless of the sign. The rest of the civilized people would read it.

there are a lot of dumbasses in the world, at some point the sign doesn’t matter, only the actual rules.

Be as it may, the park managers do not want to actively facilitate littering. They keep a fence in place knowing some will litter anyway, but at least they are not enabling it. After all, a park should be kept clean for people to enjoy it - that’s what parks were created for - to relax, and unwind for some peace, in a clean environment.

Disrespectful people may still use the park in inappropriate ways, but the manager is not out there helping them do those things.

Where before you might look at the park and see a fence and decide - meh, not gonna bother, now it’s wide open so you can litter even just by driving by, rolling the window down and throwing something out without a care. A fence keeps out the bulk of the littering.

I hate this analogy and the fact that I’m using it 🤣

The park manager is also upset that the park department is not backing them on this, despite supposedly being on the same team. For the park department it’s a technical issue but they are asking the manager to make a philosophical choice. Both know the outcomes but the way the department has approached this issue is problematic.

The park department thinks they can unilaterally decide what the park manager will do, and technically they are the experts at the helm, doing all of the planning, but it disregards the manager who is overseeing HIS park and wants to make sure the department is aware that they are doing the actual work on the ground when it comes to their territory. The manager puts in a complaint but the department is doubling down instead of listening.