for me counting calories has made me realize how little room there is for unhealthy foods and alchohol to maintain a deficit, so it has helped me in that regard. If it pushes you to healthy eating via data then whats the problem?

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Maybe people think i’m talking about “just tracking calories “, most apps are not that dumb. They track macronutrients as well (protein, fats, carbs, sodium, vitamins).

Or maybe food is so bad in america that when people say calorie counting by itself is a scam, which would make more sense.

I don't track anything, but when I first started keto (carnivore now) I was tracking carbs.

To my mind, if you want to burn body fat the big idea to keep in mind is that your body basically burns either fat or carbs but not both at once (and drinking alcohol is also a carbohydrate).

This is the basic reason people find success with keto or carnivore. It's also the basic reason people find success on low-fat diets (they burn sugar during the day and body fat while fasting between dinner and breakfast).

I agree with all that.

If it's informational and this prompts you to cut out sugar, alcohol and seed oils (or whatever your personal boogeymen are) that's all to the good.

My criticism is about calorie counting to enable calorie restriction as a weight loss strategy, because it failed me and I believe it's failed most people who've tried.

Another point I should make is that weight loss is not health. For best health you want to weigh more in terms of bones, organs, muscles and even skin fat. You want to weigh less in terms of fat under your ribs, cancerous growths and heart blockages.