Dorsey has NO IDEA what he's talking about here. New monetary assets go though adoption cycles. They start out as a barter tool, they become stores of value then transition eventually into a unit of exchange at a massive level.

Jack has what I call microwave syndrome. Basically I want it now, like so many do today.

Spending bitcoin creates a tax and accounting nightmare. Someday BTC will be commonly spent, but that day isn't now. Tax law has to change, volatility has to settle, the entire banking system needs to transform. And it is all happening.

Gold took centuries to become the standard. BTC will do it in decades. Anyone who thinks that is too slow is just an autistic idiot who wants society to adapt to them, vs. the reality of how this work in the real world.

The Fed itself is dying right now. We had it for 112 years, if it takes 30 to get rid of it that is about as fast as anyone can expect.

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I think this was a hypothetical determining how it could fail if it ever does.

His example is a bad one because he’s literally talking about use of it while saying if it doesn’t get used it will fail. If someone buys it and forgets it until they need liquidity or have an emergency, that’s using bitcoin. That means bitcoin worked.

It will work faster the more people use it more often but it’s an inevitability at this point and Jack knows it.

Also everyone seems to be waiting for the government to OK bitcoin. Bitcoin doesn’t need it. You can just go spend it. You can earn it. You can opt out of EVERYTHING fiat if you want to. The point is that already no one can stop you. If we all just start doing it, the probability of stopping everyone from using it goes from 0.00001% to 0%.

Objection to the term "Autistic idiot", we're really not, also, we don't expect the world to change for us🤷🏻‍♂️. The rest of your argument, I agree with though😂.

He didn't say autistic people are idiotic. He said he is being autistic and an idiot.

Ironic though ya?

They pride on lowtime preference,

But want it all now 🙄

#haiku

He def has an idea. I like this article by Roy Sheinfeld that has a similar thoughts to what he is saying: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/bitcoins-false-dichotomy-between-sov-and-moe

Even if Bitcoin was just a store of value, that’s still a huge win for humanity. It’s changed my life without being a medium of exchange 🤷‍♂️

Jack has his finger on the pulse of american society. He is worried too many people think of bitcoin as something alien and tech-bro-ish. He was also at the time working to push Block toward enabling lightning payments at their terminals. This had regulatory, social, taxation, and technical hurdles. No doubt his board was in "wait mode". He needed to strike fear in the people around him to light a fire under their asses so they aren't late to the table. I think he has a good point, but, you're also right. It's unrealistic to think adoption can happen in a year or a quarter. El Salvador proved that even government policy can't force adoption. First everyone needs to understand that it IS a SoV. It's when people insist on being paid in BTC that it becomes a MoE.

Functional Autism is all this is. Let me explain.

In the 80s Functional Autistics (like most of us on Nostr) chose Betamax because it was "superior in ever way to VHS", they were correct and wrong. Wrong because the market does not give a single fuck about our opinions.

We see things differently then normal people but normal people don't care what we think and network effects are real. Betamax lost badly then in the 90s DVDs became the standard. The Betamax cult stood in awe, saying, "this is the same shit we invented 15 years ago, just smaller", the market said WE DON'T GIVE A FUCK and bought DVDs until streaming took over.

Mad autistic boomers still have Betamax discs in their closets.

You said, "Jack has his finger on the pulse of american society." sorry no he doesn't. Over 60% of American society doesn't just have no BTC they have NO INTEREST IN KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

Markets dictate outcomes not creators or advocates. We can speed adoption but it won't come until market forces make it happen. For all we have done even most HODLrs have never bought anything with Bitcoin let alone "normies".

It will be gradually then suddenly but the gradually will go on a lot longer than you folks think. Every sat you spend you will regret one day, but you do you. I bought a shot gun worth about 2500 dollars today for a full bitcoin when BTC was at 600 bucks. I have spent plenty in the past, I will spend nothing more then micro payment zaps for a very long time to come. But again you do you and look for a boomer to buy a Betamax machine and some discs from with your Bitcoin, enjoy your autism.

Again I consider myself a high functioning autistic myself, I just got a lot happier when I accepted that society is 99% people not like me. You should accept that too. The fact that you thing a billionaire autist like Dorsey has his "finger on the pulse of American society" tells me you desperately need to.

Apparently, I should have only written the first sentence because your response disregarded the context entirely. You're suggesting Bitcoin is Betamax while the dollar or Tether is VHS or DVD? That’s incoherent.

First, Betamax wasn’t a disc; it was a higher-fidelity cassette tape, often associated with wealthier early adopters and regarded as a more "European" format, while VHS had broader American market appeal. In that light, Betamax is arguably more analogous to Ethereum or Monero: technically advanced, niche, but less widely adopted. VHS is a better analogue to Bitcoin - simple, robust, and "good enough" for the market.

The decisive factor in the Betamax-VHS war was distribution. Rental stores overwhelmingly stocked VHS. I was even given a Betamax player as a kid because the donor couldn’t find new releases anymore.

As for videodiscs: they were optical, analog, and fragile. Though they may have offered high fidelity when pristine, they degraded rapidly with use, like vinyl. DVDs, by contrast, introduced digital encoding and error correction (similar to audio CDs), which solved those longevity and usability issues.

It’s wrong to reduce Betamax's failure to a binary “better vs. worse” dichotomy. VHS succeeded not by being superior in quality but by offering a compelling total system: cheaper, easier to duplicate, easier to maintain, and better supported by content distributors. Betamax was overengineered, under-marketed, and failed to reach critical mass.

The same fallacy - oversimplifying technological adoption to technical superiority - is common among altcoin advocates. Clinging to the Betamax narrative is like going down with a shitcoin. It’s also why comparing Bitcoin to Betamax (a failed format) is a poor analogy. If anything, fiat currency is the legacy medium - closer to reel-to-reel film - while Bitcoin is VHS, then DVD, then Blu-ray, advancing with each protocol enhancement, scaling solution, and integration.

Another overlooked factor in Betamax’s demise was hardware design. VHS players benefited from iterative mass-production improvements. Betamax units were difficult to service - you had to partially disassemble them just to access key components like rollers and heads. This maps more cleanly to something like Monero: opaque, harder to interface with, and costly to maintain. Transparency and modularity matter - both in tech and in money.

Regarding Dorsey's concern: I share your instinctive dismissal. In that sense, we're both “Betamax maxis.” But the core point of my original post is that Jack is more attuned to the mainstream cultural current, especially among youth, than either of us. His observation reflects your own: Over 60% of American culture doesn’t care about Bitcoin. Dorsey argues this is a strategic liability - that adoption must be pushed, not waited for. And he’s in a Spiderman-like position at Block to do exactly that.

We may disagree with Jack on whether mass adoption is existentially necessary. But your own statement - that Bitcoiners must enable market participation by integrating into platforms like Square - implicitly supports his premise. The actual disagreement is over strategic necessity: does Bitcoin risk dying in irrelevance if we don’t act now to drive adoption down to the point-of-sale layer?

As for your “don’t spend your Bitcoin” comment, I’m a spend-and-replace advocate - not because I think it sways fiat-maxis, but because it builds infrastructure, supports the circular economy, and tests the rails. It’s technological stewardship, not evangelism.

My belief is that monetary adoption emerges more from demand below than from edict above. That’s the distinction between Austrian economics and MMT. Dorsey’s narrative blends both frameworks - organic and institutional - which may be why it feels impure or contradictory. But perhaps it’s precisely that hybridization that reflects the current inflection point.

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One nuance that may have been missed: Jack’s statements weren’t necessarily sincere. He was, at the time, pushing internally to enable Lightning payments on Square terminals - something that later launched. His urgency was likely tactical. He needed to inject fear into complacent boardrooms and engineering teams that didn’t see the need to move. In that sense, his “finger on the pulse” wasn’t about reading society’s feelings - it was about manufacturing the perception of risk to compel action. That’s not ideological delusion. It’s execution under pressure.

but 1. lightning is already a better payments network than existing networks 2. he is willing to burden the product market fit work proof while advocating for tax reform and 3. the actual mechanics of the bitcoin protocol will need more usage in less than decades (even at the lightning layer) or its security model is threatened

Money did not come from barter.

That's disinformation that capitalists put out to justify wage slavery.

Also spending Bitcoin is easy and tax laws are focused on the morons who teat Bitcoin like a stock.

There are no taxes on "personal use assets"

Say hi to Roger Ver when you get him as a cell mate for me you retard.

Gold didn't take centuries to become the standard.

Shit dont work that way at all.

Gold doesn't think or feel.

Neither do sea shells or salt or gemstones or Bitcoin or anything else.

Society evolves.

Economic systems evolve with it.

There is not "waiting" or "taking time"

Shit just happens as it happens

Yes it did! Someone hasn't read Broken Money by Lyn Alden and it shows.