#Monero folks are still riding that same train, thinking privacy must come from complexity and obfuscation rather than scale and adoption. They miss the bigger picture: Bitcoin’s privacy improves naturally over time, while Monero’s “solution” relies on a small, niche network that can be analyzed with enough effort.

Privacy isn’t just about hiding—it’s about blending into the crowd. The more people use Bitcoin peer-to-peer and over Lightning, the harder it gets to track anything. Monero will always have its hardcore supporters, but in the long run, Bitcoin’s decentralized network, adoption, and continuous improvements make it the real answer.

The lesson? Simplicity and scale beat complexity every time. But some folks just love their rabbit holes. 😆

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Not only are you conflating privacy and anonymity (as often happens with noobs), but actually the way privacy AND anonymity works in monero is fairly straightforward to understand - if you're smart enough 😉.

Bitcoin L1 has no privacy to speak of, and lightning is pretty complex to reason about.

Lightning uses onion routing, and onion routing is nothing but elaborate pointless obfuscation in the face of a global passive adversary, which has existed for many years (NSA).

Furthermore and if you haven't noticed, most people use custodial LN solutions. If that's your idea of scaling, sure.

Also, you should know there is just nowhere near the block capacity for this to be otherwise.

So LN is nice for guys like me who opened channels 5 years ago who have more capacity now than a Socialist's ability to bamboozle people with nice buzzwords while pocketing their fair share (™) of other people's money.

It's a lot harder if every time you receive a new payment you need to pay an onchain fee to fatten up your channel.

Such scale very amazing so modern wow.

Meanwhile you pay less than a cent in #monero and it just works for anyone.

Also, the entire Lightning network is essentially a hot wallet, almost everyone running the same 2-3 linux distros and the same 2-3 lightning daemons. This is called a software monoculture and much like monocultures it tends to be a bad idea.

I hope it never happens (bad news for my bags), but it is very much within the realm of possibility for catastrophic LN bugs (or accessing nodes via exploits and leveraging from there) to siphon off obnoxious amounts of BTC to a hacker.

Cute of you to think that and a secure, stable, zero-exploit L1 are the same thing. They're not, one is far more complex than the other, and it isn't Monero buddy 😀

I think I remember this guy.

he doesn't do discussion.

just posts bad takes and bounces.

There are already more private self custodial payments that happen on Monero than there are private self custodial payments on Bitcoin.

Its #Bitcoin that needs to introduce more layers and completely to increase the anonymity set.

Not #Monero

which provides good privacy as it is today.

*complexity

If you think Monero is niche your stats are not up to date.

Monero node network is the 2nd biggest after BTC.

It's hashrate and transactions grow continuously despite being delisted from basically ALL CEX.

Therefore almost all of the 18 million coins in circulation are in self-custodial wallets which means almost all transactions that happen on Monero are P2P and private by default.

Wherever both Monero and Bitcoin are accepted in black, grey and white markets Monero ranks 1st or 2nd.

So dismissing the most cypherpunk project in the space is either blindness or stupidity especially if almost all Butcoin OGs have indicated that they use and invest in Monero as a tool to protect their wealth, identity or as a hedge for Bitcoin.

Simplicity & scale? From Bitcoin? Shit! If you want simplicity & scale you gotta use Bitcoin Cash.

LOL 🤡