Just keep in mind that while yes using the Google Pixel is Google hardware and it may seem antithetical to degoogling, choosing any other device with any other OS other than GrapheneOS will still use Google and give them privileged system level access too.

CalyxOS and LineageOS both use Google services without a way to turn them off. Both also include privileged Google apps / services that are enabled by default. AOSP itself doesn't include Google Play. CalyxOS and LineageOS both add more Google apps/services to AOSP.

To clarify, they always use Google services even without microG. They use Google for connectivity checks, network time, attestation key provisioning, SUPL, DNS fallback (LineageOS only), PSDS (Pixel 6 and 7), eSIM activation and more enabled by default

GrapheneOS doesn't use Google services by default, because we don't add Google services and we replace the few used by the Android Open Source Project. See grapheneos.org/faq#default-c… and grapheneos.org/faq#other-con…. This is a very minor part of our work though and not the purpose of it. Purpose of GrapheneOS is not specifically avoiding Google services but WE DO AVOID using them AS THE DEFAULT SERVICES..

By default, we reroute location requests made by apps to Play services to our own implementation of the Google Play location service based on the OS location service. This means apps depending on Google Play location work without it on GrapheneOS by default.

It's not correct to sell the alternatives to GrapheneOS as 'degoogled'. More importantly, none preserves the security model or provides proper security patches.

With GrapheneOS Google Services are an option and one that if chosen can be used completely unprivileged and isolated like another app in the standard app sandbox.

If you don't want to we give the user complete control. Use them dont use them, the power is yours.

The Smart Phone is Compromised from software stack all the way down into the software functions pushed into hardware functions inside the black boxes called

semiconductors.

Here is a good read on removing then Google compromised component:

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Another reminder of the need for new mobile hardware company that builds for decentralized data sovereignty not intentionally nerfed to bias cloud dependency.

cc #[3]​ more resonance here.

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What OS/HW do you recommend for my next phone/laptop? I am happy to experiment with freedom platforms.

Sooooo, the issue with all these open source projects is often they do not have a small business, economy around them so in some ways, worse than just buying an iphone…

So, need to get hardware that is open as much as possible and backed by a team with a business model.

#[3]​ turned #[4]​ and I onto System76 based out of Colorado.

These guys are real deal and making progress.

https://system76.com/

If you are in hardware or want to get into it, study them.

I am still thinking about all the china businesses setup with facades in HK, USA and abroad…

BTW, Nvidia I also consider facade… Nvidia and AMD are the same family business :) But, our american culture does not allow us to see that…

I should say, our WESTERN CULTURE :)