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Welcome back! You're right that more people are starting to realize there are real challenges here.

As for the specific retention issues...

Onboarding. The fact that self-hosting requires some technical know-how and equipment, and the alternative is to pay to play.

It's easy to pay more than a verified check cost on X when you factor in media hosting and spam-resistant relays.

Network effects. People are already established elsewhere and their friends aren't on Nostr. You're posting into a void initially.

Bitcoin echo chamber. Most people talk about Bitcoin ad nauseam. It really is the main topic of the entire protocol. If you're not interested in Bitcoin maximalism, there's still very little content diversity to keep you engaged.

Reach. People want to be heard. The daily active users hover around 10,000-15,000 "trusted" pub keys. Compare that to any mainstream platform and you're talking about a fraction of a percent of potential audience.

If you're trying to build a brand, promote a business, or just want your voice to matter in broader conversations, Nostr simply doesn't have the numbers.

But here's the thing that really gets me—according to nostr.band data, retention of trusted users trends to 0 within 30 days for recent cohorts. Think about that. We're not just failing to onboard people properly; we're losing the ones who actually make it through the initial hurdles.

The message-to-market mismatch is glaring. The marketing focuses on censorship resistance, but most users aren't posting anything that would get them banned elsewhere. The value proposition doesn't match the user experience for the average person.

And then there's the technical complexity that nobody wants to talk about. Even basic features like follow lists don't scale properly, and the relay model creates consistency issues that confuse new users.

I could go on, but these are the main structural hurdles I see that need addressing before Nostr can move beyond its current niche.

There are actually apps tackling these challenges, now, but almost everyone uses Primal, so their efforts don't improve any user's actual experience.

And using large aggregators, with no spam filter, to build the threads, is a strategic mistake. See it on Jumble. You get the feed looking good, and then someone clicks on an entry and it's bots, crypto spam, and penis all the way down.

The fear of not-displaying something on here is ridiculously high. Let's just have lots of different clients, instead, or start users off with a more limited feed and let them dial up the dickortunity. It's not only relays, that need some diversity.

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The retention rates have gone down, since they launched. Right?

Primal is a blessing and a curse.

It's horrible for onboarding.

It suggests the same small group of people to everyone that signs up.

Including bots, nobody that's new to nostr wants to follow serious humour or whatever other bots primal suggests.

And it's a twitter clone, which means only twitter users will actually like it.

But it's still the most user friendly client

I'm newer and didn't use Primal so not all users will automatically use that. I settled on Amethyst for now because I want something actually decentral. I also want something that supports proper anonymous DM's and those reddit style interest groups. Amethyst has it all, and I find its lazy loading quite charming.

Primal I disliked because I could immediately tell its not decentral but its going trough their server which gives them control. That defeats the purpose of a decentral ecosystem. If I want that kinda thing i'd use soapbox / ditto since those instances anyone can host.

Suggestions for better decentralized clients are very much welcome though.