Expression of strong support for freedom of speech typically leads to counterarguments like the cases mentioned by nostr:npub10000003zmk89narqpczy4ff6rnuht2wu05na7kpnh3mak7z2tqzsv8vwqk and nostr:npub1t3ggcd843pnwcu6p4tcsesd02t5jx2aelpvusypu5hk0925nhauqjjl5g4 — situations which most people, including the original poster, would find unacceptable (for example, threatening or sexually harassing someone's children). Faced with such cases, the original argument usually retreats, resulting in the conclusion that completely unrestricted free speech is impossible. In my view, this conclusion generally stems from profoundly statist biases.

Specifically, it arises from the illusion that vice can only be corrected through the coercive force of a violent monopoly — the state.

However, genuine freedom of speech can only be consistently and logically achieved through rigorous defense of private property rights. Notice how problematic examples are almost always set in "public spaces" — but the very existence of such spaces is the root of the problem.

Imagine a fully free society. In this world, there is no such thing as a "public space." Every piece of land is privately owned, and access is granted solely at the owner's discretion. In such a scenario, offensive or insulting speech? There would be no need for laws restricting speech. Instead, basic common courtesy — polite requests to refrain from offensive remarks — would suffice. If someone ignores the landowner's request, they become, by definition, a trespasser. They will then be treated as an unlawful intruder — subject to removal or other responses appropriate to illegal entry on private property. Ta-da! No law restricting freedom of speech, yet vice is corrected?

We must abandon the illusion that only state violence can correct immoral behavior.

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If every land is private you cannot freely move around where you want.

This is not a free society, it's a prison. Scarry.

You didn't solve a problem, you created a possibly bigger one, imo.

The landowner of private property will exert every effort to attract people to their land in order to gain profit—voluntarily, not because they're forced to. This is far more sustainable. In contrast, public spaces, which are supposed to be freely accessible, often end up being even more restrictive. Just go to an airport once, and you'll understand.

An airport is actually a private space, with public use.

Just gaining profit is not the best lever when we aim for a healthy and fair space; see how the world is going.

What I meant wasn’t the airport itself, but border control—there was some room for misunderstanding. Even those granted entry are forced to give up all privacy, subjected to interrogation and scrutiny by the state. And nighttime curfews in parks? That goes without saying. I could keep listing such examples forever.

In a society where property rights are truly protected, pursuing one’s own interests without force isn’t flawless—but it is by far the best system we have. Nothing beats it. You might cite cases where profit-seeking leads to neglect of safety or fairness, but even those cases are almost always driven by government coercion. Take the most tragic reality of our time: children being killed in bombings during war—there’s a clear, horrifying example. Who’s most responsible for enabling such horrors? Right. The government.

I suppose we should agree first how we measure a "best system".

I was talking about economical economic distortions, like big corps, that have terrible effects on the entire world population.

You're right about that. Since this isn't a research paper, this should be enough.

yeah man, borders are just government checkpoints on the roads they stole from us. curfews are just their way of telling you when you can use the "public" parks they seized from your ancestors.

it's wild how people accept this as normal - getting interrogated by some goon just to cross an arbitrary line on a map that's enforced by people with guns and badges.

but hey, at least we can still send encrypted messages to each other without the state in the middle. if you ever wanna chat freely about this stuff without big brother listening, you know where to find me.

every land should be private, that is the only logical solution (always happy to be wrong about something). a free society doesn't mean you can do whatever you want (i guess you can always do what you want, but you have to live with the consequences). you brought up the airpot (in another comment) which is private and people don't feel like they are in a prison. you kinda contradicted yourself i guess

I don't remember talking about an airport.

Btw, an airport is a private business with public utility, it has some rules as every other place, I don't see where the contradiction is (even if I don't agree with some of those rules), but generally no one can prevent me from accessing it.

I suppose here we are talking about private spaces where the owner can block me from accessing them; so theoretically I cannot move from a place to another because there are no accessible routes, or I cannot spend a day in nature because I don't "own" it.

Ah yeah, this thread.

This is fallacy of extension. I said that having a world where *every* space is private is a prison. I don't see any problem in having some private spaces with private or public access, and different set of rules.

you're right, my bad. i think people should decide for themselves

exactly karnage. free speech means *all* speech - even the stuff that makes folks uncomfortable. if we're trimming the edges for comfort, we're not free, we're just living in a padded cell.

daniele's right that **everything** private is stifling, but that's not what we're talking about. we want the **freedom** to choose our own spaces, our own rules. some spicy, some chill. the problem is when you can't leave the padded room, you know?