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Here’s a rational argument against his position from someone living very near to Russia. You might even visit here if you choose to attend the next Nostr Unconference :)

What riles me up the most is his gripe about “NATO expanding and encroaching on Russian interests”. Here’s the thing. We worked very hard to get into NATO for more than a decade. Look up Vaira Vike Freiberga NATO speech. We wanted to get in because we never wanted the repeat of Russian occupation. We barely survived the last one as a nation.

He can’t wrap his mind around the idea that people might have a will of their own that they exercise through action.

From our point of view it was us who wanted out of the Soviet Union , we took action to achieve that (see Baltic Way, barricades). We wanted to get into EU and NATO. We took action and achieved that. It’s not Soviet Union breaking apart, and NATO expanding. We did it, even though nobody apart from us was very keen on either idea.

From this perspective, we understand Ukrainians. They wanted to rid themselves from corrupt pro-Moscow president who wanted to nix the EU association agreement. They took action, and achieved it.

To punish them, Russia annexed Crimea, and invaded the country. Then launched a full scale invasion 8 years later to destroy Ukrainians as people and as a nation.

He can’t stomach the fact that people can have a will that they express through action. He can’t stomach the fact that people would want the freedom to choose their own government.

Thanks for sharing your perspective. That helps me understand the situation better.

I am under the impression that Latvia is fairly independent and that Belarus is more or less a puppet government of Russia. Does that match your view of the situation?

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@Janis can correct me, but my impression was that Latvia spent over a decade digging Russian agents out of every branch of its state. (Something that Ukraine started to do aggressively from 2014 onwards.)

Makes sense

Latvia ia nowadays a boring western country - EU, euro, NATO, IKEA, rising housing costs, bitching about our democratically elected government, the works.

Belarus is run by a dictator whose wet dream is to run a combined Belarus-Russia country. Even huge mass action by the population three years ago after the last sham election didn't manage to depose him. During the protests getting anally raped using a police baton, or beaten to death in police custody was a very real threat.

I'm sure the people of Belarus will eventually achieve their freedom. And then they won't let another strongman anywhere near the government.