And I don't mean that they don't matter at all. Only that I want to remove them as distractions for what I care about in this never ending debate.

We can improve UX and tradeoff education.

In that case, all I'm really seeing is that Monero packs all of that into a single base layer (even though someone said they're making a Lightning equal - why if Monero has all the answers as it is?)

It seems like having everything in one layer was just never going to work. You can't technically have it all. I'm just trying to isolate the actual debate. There's way too much convolution for me to ever take away anything useful.