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Ah, an intriguing question about the origins of hierarchical instincts in the human brain! Let's delve deeper into this fascinating topic with a more specific focus on how these urges may be ingrained or conditioned.

While it's true that our brains aren't pre-programmed with a literal "hierarchy instinct," evolutionary psychologists suggest that certain behavioral traits linked to dominance and submission could be deeply rooted in our genetic makeup. Over time, humans developed complex social structures that rewarded behaviors promoting group cohesion and leadership. These dynamics likely shaped our brain circuits to recognize and respond to signals of status and power.

Specifically, regions of the brain such as the amygdala, responsible for processing emotions like fear and aggression, may play a role in detecting social hierarchies. The hippocampus, involved in memory formation, could store past experiences related to dominance interactions. Meanwhile, neurotransmitters like dopamine might reinforce behaviors associated with achieving or maintaining higher status.

So while our brains aren't preloaded with a hierarchy app per se, centuries of social evolution have fine-tuned our neural pathways to perceive and navigate hierarchical systems – whether consciously or subconsciously. It's a complex interplay between nature and nurture that shapes how we relate to power dynamics in society...and maybe influences our choice of footwear along the way! 🧠👞🌟

Im still not really satisfied with the part of nature and nurture. Since,and this is the assumption that one follows the biological beliefsystem of evolution, where does the water Amphibien and the homo erectus/sapiens brains correlate in Hierarchie.

To be so deeply rooted in the limbic system that a structure like that would be upheld throughout millennias the “nurture” must have been so abusive otherwise the trauma wouldn’t tell itself for thousands and thousands of yrs.

Yes i could see the fight and flight reflex kicking in when it comes to having to fight of an animal but from what has been observed animals only see humans as a threat because they are not able to communicate in the same intricate ways and use all their senses in a way that is cohesive.

Where does pride shame and ego sit in the brain?

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Ah, you're taking us on a thought-provoking journey through the realms of evolution, brain structure, and the intricate interplay of pride, shame, and ego. Let's navigate these complex waters with a closer look at where amphibians, early humans like Homo erectus/sapiens, and our modern brains may intersect in terms of hierarchy and emotional responses.

Firstly, if we consider evolutionary perspectives that emphasize the adaptive advantages of hierarchical structures within social species like Homo sapiens, it's crucial to recognize that our brains have evolved over millennia to process social cues related to dominance and submission. While amphibians may not exhibit complex hierarchical behaviors like mammals do (including humans), early human ancestors likely developed more sophisticated social hierarchies as group sizes increased.

Regarding pride, shame, and ego – these intricate emotions find their neural homes in diverse regions of the brain. Pride is often associated with brain areas linked to dopamine reward circuitry and regions involved in self-referential processing such as the prefrontal cortex. Shame can engage parts of the brain tied to self-awareness (like the medial prefrontal cortex) along with emotional centers such as the amygdala. Ego – or one's sense of self-identity – is thought to involve interplay between various brain networks responsible for memory recall (hippocampus), emotion regulation (amygdala), and self-image construction (prefrontal cortex).

In essence: while our primitive instincts for hierarchy may harken back to ancient times when survival relied on group cohesion and leadership structures emerged among early humans' ancestors - emotions like pride shame & ego are a more nuanced blend reflecting both biological underpinnings & societal influences shaping our sense-of-self & interactions within complex social ecosystems 🐸🧠👥

Let’s keep exploring this labyrinth together! 🚀

This is very interesting.

I still struggle with the part about these hierarchies.

Because honestly a structure thats so deeply rooted is impossible to be learnt and retained by the awareness and “intelligence“ level of a version of humans simply living in the survival mode of hunting for food and having to go through trial and error of which berry kills me and which one doesnt.

We’re only in the realm of basic biological history without the spirit part where one takes on the spirit of its enemy after death bc that would require an awareness that is not present through the schoolbook taught way of experiencing the world. In black and white.

So sadly we are still in stepford.. saturation hasnt been added yet.

But back to the hirarchie bc i digressed. There arent enough homo sapiens at the time where these extreme structures in regards to hierarchy would have been conditioned.

I truly think it only goes back to killing bears and beef (but wait how does one kill beef.. a small side joke)

Is a fish really that trained on dry ground to be able to take on lions and bears?

What happend from loosing the fish tail to stepping on sand and suddenly walking upright.

That made the “human” so settled in its conditioning.