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I mean, did you thoroughly read the article you just linked? It proves MY point about duplicate entries.

“The data provided to AP was imperfect in other ways. Among those people fully identified, some were listed twice by the ministry.“ Over 500 people in March, alone.

Okay, let’s try it another way. If I provide a number to the media and then later say that 50% of those records are, well, incomplete, you’re saying that’s not the same as revising the number down by half. You saying it’s okay to provide incomplete data because of the fog of war.

That’s NOT how fatality reporting works.

I’ve already shown you the implausibility of their figures, the impossibility of arriving at accurate numbers so quickly, and at least one actual example of a number (500 in a hospital) that was blamed on Israel, which was revised down (to 100-300), and later found to be the responsibility of Hamas’ own rockets hitting it’s own armaments depot in the parking lot of said hospital. And yet you continue to swallow their numbers as gospel?

I shudder to imagine the double standards that would be applied to Israel if they claimed a higher number of casualties and then said their records were “incomplete” when examined.

To wit, Hamas sympathizers deny the *actual* atrocities committed on 10/7 (murders, rapes, beheadings, and immolations) even as they were live streaming and celebrating them.

This whole this is just so twisted.

Louis Rossouw 1y ago

"Its count includes bodies that have not been claimed by families, or were decomposed beyond recognition, or whose records were lost in Israeli raids on hospitals -- plus individuals with incomplete records."

So the records are not complete but it does not mean they do not have a dead person!

They have not revised their figures by half! What you said is simply plainly wrong!

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j'ai les clés 1y ago

Hamas is quoted in the WSJ that they rely on the media for some of their numbers, while the media also relies on Hamas for the numbers.

“Yet in a series of lengthy reports, the ministry admits that the figures the media treat as authoritative rely in part on reporting from . . . the media.“ https://www.wsj.com/articles/hamass-numbers-games-civilian-death-counts-casualty-data-b99140eb

It’s simply circular.

But, since you seem to be completely stuck on my statement that “Hamas revised its numbers down by half,” let’s look at what the UN said.

The UN says it is now relying on figures from the Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza, rather than from the Hamas-run Government Media Office (GMO).

This is based on missing information and dubious reporting.

"It's not logically impossible... but it really strains credibility," says Prof Michael Spagat, who specialises in examining death tolls in conflicts around the world.