Additionally, there's an Abortion Juice recipe in that fictional work of art called the Bible, so the above statement about men applies to the father, the son, and that pesky holy Spirit as well. Jesus needs to leave that conversation entirely.

You are wrong about men having no say. We have no say about women's bodies in regard to their health decisions, and women have no say about whether we should go to war to defend their bodies. Men's purpose is to protect the innocent, and there are events where the innocense of the mother transitions to less than the innocense of the infant. Where life begins, and when an emerging human life's rights are recognised are central to this discussion, and it takes both men and women to decide together where that is. The Bible is NOT clear on this, contrary to many so-called christian zealots. One interepretation of the bible is that life begins with the baby's first breath because that is when you recieve the spirit of God. I'm sure you would love that interepretation of what you call an ancient text from a bygone era, but your opinion has no credibility when you reject aeons of mankind's strugle to distill the truth. The nature of man has not changed over the past 200 years, and science has only revealed the necessity moreso than from times of ignorance that we must resolve the conflict between our definitions of murder and human life.

On another note, and to reiterate my criticism; the more common instances of doctors and hospitals claiming they can not perform abortions under any condition whatsoever because of "archaic laws from the 1800s" are intentionally misrepresenting the facts. This in conjunction with attorney generals, most totally corrupt, systemically strike fear in health providers by introducing uncertainty where there should be none. In the case of Wisconsin, the 1800s law was clearly reformed under Governor walker and Wisconsin's highly qualified legislature to account for life threatening and medically necessary produres to preserve the life of the mother over the child. This law, though codified for more than a decade in preparation for an overturning of RvW, is systematically ignored. Rather than doctors with this knowledge standing on this firm legal ground, and rebutting the media and murderous socialist feminist power in government, they cower and leave women to die.